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Dick Akiins User is Offline

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28 May 2009 08:16 AM
The multiple path pan/zoom seems to be a great feature, but, for the life of me, I can't get it to work correctly. Let's say I have text that I would like to zoom in from 100% to 110% and I would like it to shift down 10% and to the right 10%, all in a time of 5 sec. What do I put in the multiple path box?? Also, text zooming seems to take place only within the fixed text box. This is rather strange in that it is really difficult to figure out how to zoom the text without it getting cut off by the box. I seems to me that it the only practical way to zoom text would be to zoom the text box and everything in it. Should this be a wish (when the list is back up) or it there some fallacy in this line of thought?

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05 Jun 2009 07:23 AM
George (or anyone else knowledgeable of this), I have fiddled around with panning and zooming text and have finally been able to have a little success. Still, there's a few questions: 1) Why does the text pan in the opposite direction from the way images do? For example, the following "multiple path" (H=0 V=0. Z=1 D=3, Z=1.5 H=1 V=1) pans from top-left to bottom-right of an image, but the text moves from its un-panned position to the top-left of its box. 2) Although the path above works, I'm not altogether sure what the exact format of the multiple path is -- is the comma required? is the order fixed? Is there a write-up, blog, or tutorial on this? 3) Although there "multiple path" box has a pull-down, I can't find any way to fill it in or use it. What is it for?? PS Judging by the lack of response, I'm a little surprised that there doesn't seem to be anyone out there with lots of experience and advice on this.

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06 Jun 2009 05:49 AM
I have only used it once. I am not sure that I would be comfortable using it with a song, as the song and the PAN/ZOOM may not end at the same time. Also, I haven't gotten used to using it. When I did use it, I just used trial and error until I had the path I wanted. I also found that you really should have a text editor (notepad) to edit the path. Then you copy and paste back and forth. I must have deleted the path I was working on about 5 times before I started using notepad to edit the path. IIRC, using the backspace button somehow or another would delete the contents of the path field. There was a SSPlog about it in Sept 2008. There was a little conversation on it, but not much detail.

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06 Jun 2009 07:14 AM
Gary, thanks for the response. I hadn't thought about using a text editor for input to the "multiple path," but that suggestion will ease a little of the pain. Like you, I have spent a lot of time re-inputting code into that little box after inadvertently deleting everything (add "copy-paste" to the deletion methods!). It's strange that there is a pull-down arrow, but apparently no way to use it. I'm hoping one of the tech guys will jump in with some good advice.

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08 Jun 2009 02:59 PM
Dick, First let me answer your questions and then I will give a quick primer on the multipath... 1. I have not seen this behavior and I tried the path you gave and text and images appear to be moving the same way. I tried this both in SSP and in SSB and had the same travel behaviour in both. 2. The comma is required. The order is sort of fixed... I will explain more below and I am working on a full write up. 3. The drop down mat have been an oversite and appears to serve no purpose. Please ignore this for now. I am working on a full write up on the Pan and Zoom effect but here is a portion of the multipath section that should make it easier to figure out... Multiple paths in SSP Pan and Zoom Think of the multiple path formula as lines on a coordinate system defined by two or more points. When you define a line or path you have to have a start point and an end point. In our case, each "point" has several properties - H; V; Z and D so a single line or path will be made up of two points separated by a comma (point A, point B) As one might expect, the subsequent paths use the previous point as the start and the next one as the end point. If any of the properties are left out of the multipath definition they are taken from the other control fields. This may have unpredictable results so we recommend against it. There are several variables or properties used when defining paths for the multiple path selection. H = Horizontal position (left to right) defined as a decimal percentage with a range of 0 (0%) to 1 (100%). Example – center position = 50% H=.50 V = Vertical position (top to bottom) defined as a decimal percentage with a range of 0 (0%) to 1 (100%). Example – center position = 50% V=.50 D = Duration defined in seconds using a decimal value – There is no set limit but there may be a practical one. Example – 3.2 seconds D=3.2 Z = Zoom defined by a decimal multiplier of the original object ranging from 1 on up. There is no set limit but there may be a practical one. Example – Z=1.5 is 1.5 times the original size. The use of the Multiple Path feature is best explained by first defining a single path using all of the properties. I will break down the following path formula (H=0 V=0 Z=1.5, H=0.5 V=0.5 Z=2.5 D=5) = (point A, Point B). At Point A, the object starts in the top left corner (H=0 V=0) and is zoomed to 1.5 times the original size (Z=1.5). To get to point B, the object pans to the center (H=0.5 V=0.5) while zooming to 2.5 times the original size (Z=2.5) over 5 seconds (D=5). From here, adding another path is easy – add a comma at the end and add H=1 V=.5 Z=2.5 D=3 to give you (H=0 V=0 Z=1.5, H=0.5 V=0.5 Z=2.5 D=5, H=1 V=0.5 Z=2.5 D=3) This third element is the Point B of the second path and pans the object from center to the right (H=1 V=0.5) over 3 seconds (D=3). The zoom amount is the same in both the start and end of the second path (Z=2.5) so it just pans with no additional zooming. This also brings up another aspect of Pan/Zoom that may be confusing – panning without zooming. You can create the appearance of panning with no zoom by setting the start and end zoom properties to the same value but there must be some zoom applied to the object in order for there to be some portion of the object out of frame to pan through. With this information and a little trial and error, you should be panning and zooming to your heart’s content.

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08 Jun 2009 05:49 PM
Wow, George, you've really gone "the second mile!" Great write-up, which I hope will get into the user's guide and/or tutorial. I (and others probably) will print this off and begin to practice producing some neat slide motions. I will re-examine my comment about reverse movement and get back with you. Thanks again for the yeoman's effort.

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10 Jun 2009 07:37 AM
This feature sounds neat, but where is it found? I looked through the menus, but did not find. Is it a special feature that has to be purchased. Pat C.

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Pat, The Pan/Zoom described here is one of the advanced effects included in the CinFX package. This requires a SSP Pro license and the Cinematic Effects Collection plug-in installed and licensed. The CinFX license is an additional cost over the Pro license. If you do not have this but would like to take a look, it is enabled when unlocked as a Workstation so you can try it out on a test system at no cost. If you are interested contact the sales team.

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10 Jun 2009 10:11 AM
It is under effect/advanced effects/pan/zoom and can be applied to just about any text, image, video, or other objects. The pan/zoom has three sub-options: single, auto, and multiple paths. If you haven't used this, you should give it a try since it can produce so many results.

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10 Jun 2009 10:14 AM
oops -- George beat me by 2 minutes! I might add that the cost of CinFX is really worth it; I use some effects every Sunday and can't imagine doing without them.

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10 Jun 2009 11:32 AM
Posted By George on 06/10/2009 10:09 AM This requires a SSP Pro license and the Cinematic Effects Collection plug-in installed and licensed. The CinFX license is an additional cost over the Pro license. One point of correction: You do not need a Professional Level license to use the Cinematic Effects Collection. A licensed installation of the plug-in can be used with both the Professional and the Basic licenses.

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14 Jun 2009 04:06 PM
Thanks for your reply. Our SSP subscription is to be renewed this month, I am hoping that we will be able to get the CinFX license with that, but before that we need a new computer to handle things. I was told I was going to one soon. The Worship Minister has control and he was possibly wanting to change to another package, but yesterday he told me that we were staying with SSP. We are using the original that we bought when we started SSP 6+ years ago and the only thing not original is memory and the video card. We have been blessed to be able to do so much with what God has given us.

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Thanks Cleber, for the clue, and George, for the offer.

Since I have more to do than I can keep current on anyway, I'll stick with September version that I know works until I see / hear indications that the Windows 7 glitches are cleared out. I have no desire to uninstall/reinstall and hope that things might work and/or to spend lengths of time on tech support trying to iron things out.

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Just moving the discussion from "March 2010 Edition Available for Beta Testing" forum to this one as suggested.
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Hmm - Interesting...

I just tried this using blank slides entered as program elements and got the same expected behavior I described before. Are you using "blank" blank slides (default blank slide is black color only) or do you have something else set for your blank slides?

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18 Mar 2010 03:49 PM
RE: March 2010 Edition Available for Beta Testing by chapelbythesea in Latest News

Thanks Cleber, for the clue, and George, for the offer.

Just let me know when the upgrades fully function with Win 7. Thanks.

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And if you have multiple projection licenses, one purchase covers all of them.

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No problem.

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