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Daniel Bostic
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18 Aug 2006 02:29 PM  

Our church, (Charleston Harbor Bible Church) is used to using "The Celebration Hymnal" and some of the songs are different in Song Select On-Line.......I called Integrity Media and they said that for an ad-on for Song Show 7 to display exactely what is in our hymnal it would be like a total of $320 or something like that. Does anyone know how to get this to work?
Thanks!

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18 Aug 2006 03:06 PM  
I'm guessing you would be buying the Integrity Worship software, which would contain thier song database, and use the SSP Integrity module (formerly promodule) to connect SSP to it.

The songs in Song Select don't always match our hymnal either. But I just clone the song, edit the lyrics and verse order to match our hymnal.

I then put a (HFG) in the title to note that it has been edited to match Hymns for the Family of God. Anything in the title in parens will not show up on the screen.
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Milton Seventh Day Baptist Church
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"...if we are to glorify God fully, we must engage our mind in knowing him truly and our hearts in loving him duly." - John Piper, Think
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19 Aug 2006 06:16 AM  
Thanks for the tip about the Parens! I didn't know that. Of course there are a lot of things that I don't know about this software.
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19 Sep 2006 05:02 PM  
Another way is when you edit a song, make a collection called HFG and put all the HFG songs in that collection.  i would then put the number of the song in brackets eg: song title (234), so you can do searching on song numbers as well as the titles.

Hope that helps.
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22 Sep 2006 10:16 AM  
Our church also uses the Celebration Hymnal. Most of the differences between what is printed in the hymnal and in CCLI's Song Select are small. E.g., in the hymnal only the chorus of the song is printed, and in CCLI's Song Select all of the verses and the chorus are available. As long as the Author(s), copyright holder(s), year all match you can use the number in CCLI.

Sometimes you cannot find the song in CCLI's Song Select--if so, look for it under each individual author as sometimes it is listed by the last person, generally the one who created a choral ending or setting. You can also usually find it if you do an advanced search. If you search by catalog, in this case Ingegrity, you want the "Hosanna!" Music You will get 2000+ hits, then do an advanced search with Catalog > contains > integrity; Title >contains > song title; Author >contains > name. You get better results with "contains" rather than "is exactly" as field limiters. Sometimes when you search by the author, especially the person who wrote the choral setting, you only get the part he wrote. When in doubt CCLI will always be delighted to help you and will direct you to the correct song number with the correct information.

For example, in the hymnal # 225 is “Come, Christians Join to Sing.” If you search by title you will find the song, plus 10 others. You then need to read the catalog list and find “Word Music LLC . . .” That is the song, but only Lee Harrington is listed as the author on CCLI’s Song Select. The hymnal lists Christian H. Bateman and David Evans. In this case I would add those two names to the SSP General page for this song.

In the hymnal # 80 is “I Stand in Awe” by Mark Altrogge. In the hymnal only the first verse and chorus are shown. In CCLI’s Song Select there is a second verse. You have the option of including it or not. A similar situation exists with # 530 “I Will Call Upon the Lord” by Michael O’Shields.

A search for hymnal # 324 “When I Survey the Wondrous Cross” will give you 25 hits. The basic song is public domain, however the version in the hymnal is copyrighted by Integrity. None of the listings in CCLI’s Song Select match what is printed in the hymnal. This is a time to call CCLI.
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Slide Properties Hierarchy within SongShow Plus

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Version 8.4 Preview Release by George in Latest News

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Details can be found in the Version 8.4 subscriber forum.

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An update to the PRODUCTION release of SongShow Plus 8.3 dated 11/11/2016 has been posted and is available to users with a current subscription. 

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Try out the new SongShow Plus 8.3 Features!
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Details can be found in the Version 8.3 subscriber forum.

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An update to the PRODUCTION release of SongShow Plus 8.3 dated 09/21/2016 has been posted and is available to users with a current subscription. 

Updates in this build of Version 8.3 are: 
  • Fixed problem with missing quotes in ESV text.
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  • Fixed problem where synchronized web folders are not included in backup/restore.


Try out the new SongShow Plus 8.3 Features!
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Details can be found in the Version 8.3 subscriber forum.

26 Sep 2016 12:12 PM
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The latest major update to Windows 10 is release 1607, AKA the Anniversary Update. (FAQ037)

If this update has NOT been applied to your system, you should defer this update if possible.

If this update has been applied to your system, you will encounter issues using PowerPoint files in SongShow Plus.

The 2 known solutions at this time are:
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  • Disable the High End Graphics support in SongShow Plus. (TS292)
We will continue to update as we learn more about this issue.

01 Sep 2016 04:35 PM
Version 8.3 Production Release - 08/30/2016 Update by George in Latest News

An update to the PRODUCTION release of SongShow Plus 8.3 dated 08/30/2016 has been posted and is available to users with a current subscription. 

Updates in this build of Version 8.3 are: 
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Try out the new SongShow Plus 8.3 Features!
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Details can be found in the Version 8.3 subscriber forum.

 

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