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Chris M
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| 16 Jul 2005 08:12 PM |
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or what ever your title is in your church.
I want to know some things.
I work in my church as a Projection systems Admin, and also as a technician for all the computers.
BUT, i am not paid. I volunteer. Now i want to write a letter to my pastor, so he could consider hiring me as a full time worker. i just need some info.
I want to know for you all is What are you responsible for in your church, the hours you work and if it is Possible, your salary /Hour. (note: if you dont want to share the last part, or any thing, it is ok.)
Thank you for your help 
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Tom Johnson
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| 18 Jul 2005 05:18 PM |
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My title is Tech Support. I't my job to make sure 4 installed
sound systems and now 2 SSP projection systems work as desired durring
services. I was a volunteer until a problem happened that wasn't
resolved before the 1st service. I walked in a few minutes before
2nd service to run sound, found out about the computer issue and got it
fixed in time for the 2nd service. Officially I am part time with
a small salary but usually I am at the church at least 25 hours per
week. (That in addition to my regular 40 hour job.) I too,
have tried to show how much more could be done if the job was a paid
full time position.
The concept of a full time techie is new to most smaller to medium
sized churches. I agree that with today's high tech services a
full time technical person is necessary. Convincing the church
leaders is another story.
Tom
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Karen Lynch
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| 19 Jul 2005 06:31 AM |
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Well, it depends if you are talking about a fulltime Tech Director or somebody is in charge of the computers. I am a Tech Director, but I am a volunteer. I am in charge of all the lighting and projection systems. We have a separate audio guy and a separate video guy. We also have a college student who is an intern and helps on our computers. He is the only one who is paid and it is not very much. I work up at our church 10-40 hours per week. It depends on what is going on. We have a theatrical lighting system so that can get time consuming as well as putting together the presentations. I have found out that most churches do not hire anybody to head up their tech department until they are averaging 1000-1500 on Sunday morning attendance. Right now we are averaging 750. The problem we are running into is that because we have grown, we have more going on and therefore we are needed up at church more than we used to be.
At Willowcreek and Saddleback they have many volunteers fulfilling many roles. Volunteering seems to be the way churches are headed. They have volunteers who volunteer 40 or more hours per week.
The best thing to do would be to pray about what God wants you to do and if your service would better be as a volunteer or paid employee. God will also place it on your Pastor's heart if that is where you are supposed to be.
Hope this helps.
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Because He Lives,
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Andrew Bracht
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| 19 Jul 2005 08:59 AM |
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THREE THOUGHTS
ONE - - - -
Pastors generally fall into two categories when it comes to staff.
1. They staff for growth, meaning that they hire for an area that they want to strengthen or grow.
2. They staff to meet a need, meaning that the ministry has gotten so large that a PT/FT staff member is necessary to continue to meet the needs of the congregation.
The difference is subtle and basically illustrates where along the growth curve a pastor considers adding staff.
TWO - - - -
When I was considering going into FT ministry I evaluated my motives along these lines...
Do I minister becase I am paid or because I am called?
Would I be willing to serve even if I was not paid to do so?
Is a salary my compensation for services rendered or financial support that enables me to follow God's call on my life?
I spent many years in heavy volunteer work and a FT secular job before I was hired at a church. Of the 20 years I have been involved in ministry only six of them have been a paid position. For me it was the 'proving grounds' and 'improving grounds' that prepared me for FT ministry.
THREE - - - -
Pastors tend to be bottom line people when it comes to finances. If...
1. the money is there,
2. the applicant can make a real difference, and
3. there is support among the staff, board, and volunteer leaders
they will usually consider it. But everything is contingent on #1 |
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Lee Menningen
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| 19 Jul 2005 12:19 PM |
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Karen said it pretty well. I, too, do all the computers/network and software on them, the lighting system, sound system, video system including ssp, cameras, building monitors, etc., surveillance system, and other smaller technology items such as boiler controls, emergency lights, and all that stuff.
And this is all volunteer... |
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Karen Lynch
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| 19 Jul 2005 04:22 PM |
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Lee, How what is your average worship attendance on Sunday mornings? I'm just curious because you have so many jobs and I believe you also work fulltime.  Karen |
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Chris M
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| 21 Jul 2005 01:27 PM |
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Thank you for all your help, i will still write that letter to my pastor.
For you have to understand my situation to agree with me. |
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Lee Menningen
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| 28 Jul 2005 07:52 PM |
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Posted By Karen39 on 07/19/2005 4:22 PM Lee, How what is your average worship attendance on Sunday mornings? I'm just curious because you have so many jobs and I believe you also work fulltime. Karen Our church is much smaller than yours, and shrinking ... Yes, I do all those "jobs", and a few other things besides. I've setup a separate computer for video editing and am now playing with the Adobe collection. As I play with it I come across features and say "wouldn't it be nice if SSB, or perhaps SSP, did that!" But while the Adobe applications do a lot, they do many things we don't need done, and are not the right tools for generating weekly preservice "promotionals". Besides taking too long even for a skilled person to do, there is a huge learning curve that few people will want to deal with. |
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Robert Taylor
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| 29 Jul 2005 02:38 PM |
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I know this thread is probably done but i just felt like saying, i agree Fustian
in the part of the, do i serve for the paying or just because. I
do it just because. I guess I enjoy going to to the church,
poping in a CD, and listening to my favorite music and just
working. I feel like that way the Lord can touch my heart and
tell me what ever he wishes cause I am in His house and focused on Him,
all earthly things don't attract me. That is what i really enjoy
about working at the church part time.
At my church, i am considered the Video tech, sound tech, audio tech,
housekeeper, with a couple of other people, and i also try to manage
going to sunday school among all these things. Right now I am
able to spend quite a bit of time at the church working, because school
is not in session, but when it is, i have a hard time working.
The only position that is paid is housekeeping, but once again i dont
do it for the money, i enjoy cleaning because i know i am cleaning for
the Lord. I love handling all these positions cause to me, its a
challenge everday that i have to face. If its not one things
thats not working right, its another. I feel that the Lord has
blessed me with these positions and giving me a chance to tell the
elders of my church what I can do. I may get bickered at, or they
may not like somthing I do, but that just means thats something I can
work on. For a while now, we have had the Song Show Plus program
and have been using it. It has kinda, "disrupted", if you will,
our church. We have had some arguments over it, and it has caused
some people to get upset. I know that the Lord has a reason that
we have this system, so everyday I strive to raise up to what the Lord
has given us and I try to give the chruch the best of what I can
do. I know all of you think that some postions in the church feel
like they are useless, but don't let that get you down. Every
once in a while we get a good job, or well done, with our efforts, but
there is this one lady who every morning tells us what a great job we
are doing and keep up the good work. Even if you don't think you
are making a difference, you are, you may not know it, but its
working. So whether you are full time, part time, paid or not, I
think it should come from the heart. A postion should be filled
by a person whom God has called to just over flow with joy and accept
whatever may come their way with words, but know that God is pleased.
(I hope this can help someone out there whom is down about their job, I
know I was, but now the Lord has shown me what I can do and that
through Him, all things are possible!)
God Bless You All
Dios Bendice Siempre!
(God Blesses Always)
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Karen Lynch
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| 29 Jul 2005 03:10 PM |
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I agree with you. Those are the same reasons I serve also, plus I love playing with computers and tech equipment. I am wondering why people at your church are upset with Songshow Plus? Is it the price? Do tell . . . |
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Robert Taylor
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| 29 Jul 2005 05:09 PM |
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I love to play with the computer and sound stuff also think the main reason is because its change. One thing, they
placed the automatic lowering screen in front of the cross, yes you can
still raise it, but like if we ever do sermon notes, it covers the
cross the entire worship service. Also some people said some
stuff that cause some memebers to leave. Its how some people say
stuff
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If your early, your on time, if you on time, your late.
Humble yourself in the sight of the Lord and he will lift you up. James 4:10 |
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Rod Luhrs
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| 29 Jul 2005 06:52 PM |
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The old "Covering the cross issue or Moving the cross"
I am fortunate to do quite alot of system design and consulting for different churches here, and I find the number 1 issue most churches have is "we cant move the cross". I have been called in to consult some big churches here and sort out "issues" with there AV install. Alot of the time it relates to the "Cross" here are my thoughts.
1. wind down / up screen in front of cross.
As the church services utilise AV support more and more, it comes to the point when the cross is always covered as the screen is always in use, hence the cross is always covered.
The winding up and down can be very distracting
Suggest alternate location for cross, where it can be visable all the time.
2. Just leave the cross there and install two screens and projector one either side.
Fine if you have double the budget to spend on install and maintainance.
It's funny how we loose track of why we put things like "The cross" and "Scripture verses" on the back wall of the church, and how we only look at things like the screen as something to put the words of the songs on. They are there as a visual aid to worship, Not something we worship. We are very blessed through the use of technology we now have an electric canvas to allow us to change our visual aids, and also project scripture verses and song words etc. The exact same reason we started putting "The cross" and "scripture verses" on the back wall years ago. All we are doing now is utilising the resourses available in todays enviroment to achive the "visual aid"
We also need to recognise the "Communication" role the screen will play within the church. Not only announcments etc. but things like "photo displays and video clips" can be used to
a) promote different sections of the church ie. youth group, seniors group.
b) keep the church up to date with what each section or group is doing.
c) encorage those involved in these sections or groups to be involved.
As well as to use images and backgroungs to help theme our services and to encourage worship, and give the pastor and congregation another tool to help spread the word and teach.
Sorry for the long post.. Just some of my thoughts on basic issues I deal with.
Rod
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Lee Menningen
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| 29 Jul 2005 08:47 PM |
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Regarding the screen obstructing the cross - our church is also constructed that way; it has a large wooden-looking foam cross above the baptistery wall, with lights focused on it.
All I do when the screen is down is maintain an image on the screen, i.e., when there is "nothing" to display, I put up one of several motion "cross" videos I put in the blackout slideshow.
No complaints from anyone ... |
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Robert Taylor
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| 29 Jul 2005 08:51 PM |
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Thats cool, i was just thinking, what if i take a pictures of our
cross, then put that up on the screen when there is nothing being put
up there  what about that.
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Joel Osborn
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| 29 Jul 2005 09:20 PM |
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Posted By FSBCMan on 07/29/2005 8:51 PM Thats cool, i was just thinking, what if i take a pictures of our
cross, then put that up on the screen when there is nothing being put
up there what about that.
I tried that with the stained glass windows behind our screen. 
Didn't work. They just laughed and said, "did they really think that would fool us?"
I wasn't trying to fool them. I was trying to find a good comprimise. 
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...Joel
Milton Seventh Day Baptist Church
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Karen Lynch
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| 30 Jul 2005 05:38 AM |
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We have 2 screens on either side of our cross so that is not an issue
with us, but you are right I believe a lot of conflicts have to do with
the way people say things. Some people want to be controversial
no matter what is the issue is also.
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Joel Osborn
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| 30 Jul 2005 12:57 PM |
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The best quote I heard on this was, "Naysayers get a vote, not a veto.:" 
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...Joel
Milton Seventh Day Baptist Church
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Karen Lynch
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| 30 Jul 2005 01:00 PM |
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Yeah and they're always the loudest. The people who are the happiest never say anything.
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Robert Taylor
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| 30 Jul 2005 07:35 PM |
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Yea, thats my problem, im happy and dont say much, and when i do its
the wrong time and i get into trouble but i guess it will all
settle down some time.
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If your early, your on time, if you on time, your late.
Humble yourself in the sight of the Lord and he will lift you up. James 4:10 |
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Erik Dean
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| 31 Jul 2005 08:49 AM |
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Perhaps you guys can help us out. Here is a picture of the inside of our church. As you can see, we have the cross in the back with the screen in front. Any suggestions on what to do with the cross or should we get another screen and projector or what. Thanks  |
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11 Mar 2010 11:18 AM
Right-Click copy/paste menu does not work in PPT song import panel (TS098) by George in Troubleshooting- Symptom:
During a Song import from PPT the right-click menu is no longer available in the Slide Text box when importing song text from a PPT. This may cause difficulty in editing content. Import is still possible and text entry and deletion are possible, only the right click menu is affected.
Possible Cause:
Unknown - the root cause of this is still under investigation.
Possible Solution:
Import is still possible and text entry and deletion are possible. The CTRL-X, CTRL-C and CTRL-V keyboard shortcuts work as well. If a significant change in the arrangement of the text in the PowerPoint file is needed, this can be done using Microsoft PowerPoint.
(TS098)
11 Mar 2010 10:38 AM
RE: Bug in 2/26/10 build by George in User Support - V7InfoTech,
I was able to verify the issue with the right-click menu in the PPT song import and will submit it.
After reading your description several times, it seems to me that you may be making the import process way too difficult. You don't really need to cut/paste or rearrange the text at all in the import text box. Simply highlight the desired text with the mouse and then click the corresponding button to populate the field.
Using your title example, instead of removing the author and lyrics, just highlight the title text and then click on the title button to add it to the pane on the right.
This can be repeated for all your edits and save you a bunch of cutting and pasting....
If you want to continue to use the method that you described, the CTRL-X, CTRL-C and CTRL-V keyboard shortcuts work as well.
10 Mar 2010 05:37 PM
December 2009 Edition - Bug Fixes (SSP070) by George in SongShow Plus IssuesThere are some previously reported bugs that have been fixed in the December 2009 Edition:
- Drag and drop in Win XP was broken and fixed in the Beta cycle.
- Quick Message was broken and fixed in the Beta cycle.
- Live Video was broken and fixed in the Beta cycle. This fix was an improvement of the previous patch that was required to use the Live Video Plug-in.
- An issue with nvidia driver version 196.21 that broke the SSP Beta on XP was corrected.
- Print Slideshow and song list selection spinners grayed out
- Builder re-run error causing file browser to open unexpectedly.
- H.264 issue with playback of .m4v, .mp4v, and .mpg4 video corrected.
- Path displayed incomplete when adding sub-folders to panels.
- Snowflake Wipe transition not working as expected.
- Font selection when editing text in the Slide Show Builder not working as expected.
- Background Improv folder navigation and state save corrected.
- Monitor options placements selector not working as expected.
- CTRL-V does not paste copied objects as expected in Slide Show Builder.
(SSP070)
10 Mar 2010 03:05 PM
H.264 videos or thumbnails may cause SSP to be unstable and lock up (TS097) by George in Troubleshooting- Symptom:
H.264 Video or thumbnails may cause SSP to be unstable and lock up when added or viewed.
Possible Cause:
It appears that there are some H.264 video that can cause trouble in SSP. At this time this is very rare, however, the root cause of this is still under investigation.
Possible Solution:
This was discovered using movie trailer files that would play fine in applications other than SSP. At this time there is no solution but it is best to try a different file to make sure it is not a wider issue. Please contact the Support Team and provide the video file for analysis.
(TS097)
10 Mar 2010 11:56 AM
RE: Audio clip doesn't restart when slide show restarts by George in User Support - V7Hmm - Interesting...
I just tried this using blank slides entered as program elements and got the same expected behavior I described before. Are you using "blank" blank slides (default blank slide is black color only) or do you have something else set for your blank slides?
I would say at this point if the behavior persists and you can duplicated it, contact the support team so they can do a remote with you and actually see what is going on.
09 Mar 2010 05:59 PM
RE: SSP Version 5.5 with SongSelect Online by iamgap in User Support - V5.5
I too would recommed that you backup/archive/zip your current R-Technics folder and install the evaluation of version seven. If the PC cannot handle it, which I doubt, do a complete uninstall of Version 7 and go back to version 5.5.
It is my understanding that version 7 is much more stable, and can function more efficiently on an older machine than version 5.5 can.
09 Mar 2010 05:52 PM
RE: 32bit vs. 64bit by iamgap in User Support - V7 on Windows 7
To add yet another fly into the ointment...
I didn't realize that my MoBo has a 4 year old (2 yr older than the mobo) chip on it (intel 945). So even though the processor and motherboard can support up to 4 GB of RAM, the chipset can only address 3.2 GB of RAM.
What I am most upset about is that the board advertised that it could support up to 4 GB of RAM, but didn't say it could only address 3.2. Had I known that, I wouldn't have bought this board. Time for an upgrade. Now I gotta find a board that supports the RAM that I just bought for this board. 
09 Mar 2010 10:47 AM
Video file types supported in Video Chain (MI016) by George in Media IssuesThe video file extensions that are supported in SongShow PlusTM for the Video Chain tool are a subset of the video file extensions that are supported in SSP globally.
Keep in mind the required codec/filter still needs to be available on the system for proper playback of these file formats.
- Video Clip (*.avi)
- Video (*.mpg4)
- Video (*.mp4)
- Video (*.m4v)
- Video (*.mp4v)
- Video (*.mov)
- Movie Clip (*.mpg)
- Movie Clip (*.mpeg)
- Movie Clip (*.mpe)
- Movie Clip (*.m1v)
- Windows Media Audio/Video File (*.wmv)
If some of the listed types do not appear in the Video Chain panel, review the instructions for selecting visible video types in the KB article MI010.
(MI016)
09 Mar 2010 08:11 AM
RE: SSP loses audio when run with PowerDVD by norvilles in User Support - V7- Ah. Never would have thought that those two things would go hand in hand.
09 Mar 2010 07:30 AM
RE: Cinematic Effects Collection: Easter Special from GoFishMedia by osborn4 in Latest News- And if you have multiple projection licenses, one purchase covers all of them.
08 Mar 2010 03:26 PM
RE: Animated GIF Support by pgulezian in User Support - V7- Cool!! I wonder when they'll finally add this as a feature??? I also wonder WHY it hasn't been added in the past. It just seems like a "No Brainer", because it's a basic feature to support. ESPECIALLY, because we're dealing with a projection type of program. Like I said, PowerPoint supports it and probably has for years... I guess it just confuses me as to why it wasn't always a part of SSP, being the awesome program that it is. GIF's MUST be harder to deal with than I think.
Thanks for your reply.
07 Mar 2010 02:04 PM
RE: Troubleadvancing through a program by osborn4 in User Support - V7- If you can reproduce it, I'd contact tech support.
You might want to try installing the latest release to see if that shakes anything loose.
07 Mar 2010 12:56 PM
Does December 2009 Edition Support Unicode? by CFC in User Support - V7- My license expires at the end of this month. The beta version I tried didn't support Russian language when displaying songs. There is no point for me to renew license unless the problem was fixed (September 2009 Edition supports Russian songs). I'm sure there are many other non-English churches that would be interested in SSP if it supported unicode.
To SSP developers: any news regarding unicode support?
05 Mar 2010 04:12 PM
RE: Resizing rotated graphics by Lucas in Beta Test Support- To me that makes perfect sense, cause it's keeping the image in the correct aspect.
05 Mar 2010 12:27 PM
RE: SSP Crashes when adding a song by KingsleyUMC in User Support - V7- Update 3:
I have updated to the december release. It appears the problem has gone away for the time being. I noticed there was an update in the visualitation'S .dll . Also this machine is 4+ years old. I wonder if the video card might not be beefy enough for the improvements you have give the program during that time. I did run the hardware test and it didn't have a problem with the card.
Well, the problem is under control for the time being. Let's let it die.
Tim Goldsmith
03 Mar 2010 12:10 PM
RE: December 2009 Edition Released by norvilles in Latest NewsNo problem.
Also I tested on Windows 7 64bit and Windows XP 64bit.
02 Mar 2010 03:50 PM
RE: Exporting slide show from one computer to another by iamgap in User Support - V7
As Joel said, add the slide show to a program, save the program, and then Package to Go.
You can also save the SSB to an external drive, and you can copy it to another computer. The down side to this is all the linked files (images and videos) will need to be copied also, and then pasted to a relative location on the other PC.
02 Mar 2010 03:14 PM
RE: Computer Setups by norvilles in The 'Wave Pool'- Well I see what you mean.
There is the debate between Linux, Mac and Windows. Then there is the debate between what Distro.
But Linux is becoming increasingly popular. You see it more and more often on the laptops of those setting in StarBucks.
But, all I'm saying is that if SSP could open up to the different platforms, that would be great.
And there will always be bugs in programs, no matter what. That is unavoidable.
Unless its a simple:
class Driver {
static void main(string[]args) {
System.out.println("Hello World");
}
}
02 Mar 2010 03:10 PM
RE: Stage Monitor Output by norvilles in Feature ReviewsHaving a redundant system set up is different senerio from this issue.
02 Mar 2010 12:20 PM
RE: Alpha Channel Video Over Motionback Video by techarts in User Support - V7- Still no luck on SlideShow method but the Program video method worked very well using the Alpha Channel "bridge" or "chorus1", "chorus2", "verse1", etc with a motion background display property.
I'll keep working on the Slide Show method though until I get what you are saying it should do...
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09 Mar 2010 07:30 AM
RE: Cinematic Effects Collection: Easter Special from GoFishMedia by osborn4 in Latest News- And if you have multiple projection licenses, one purchase covers all of them.
03 Mar 2010 12:10 PM
RE: December 2009 Edition Released by norvilles in Latest NewsNo problem.
Also I tested on Windows 7 64bit and Windows XP 64bit.
05 Feb 2010 08:13 PM
December 2009 Edition, 2/4/2010 Candidate Release by dreece in Latest News
The 2/4/2010 candidate test release of the December 2009 Edition of SongShow Plus is now available to current subscribers.
- XP/nVidia driver problem is resolve.
- Single core use is now the default. Users can still switch to multi-core mode.
Read What's New for a more complete list of new features and enhancements. Subscribers can also visit the Beta Test Support forum to post feedback and questions regarding the beta version.
You can download the beta test installation from within SongShow Plus using the menu command Update > Check for Beta Version Updates or by going to http://www.songshowplus.com then to the Download page.
29 Jan 2010 03:40 PM
December 2009 Edition, 1/28/2010 Candidate Release by dreece in Latest News
The 1/28/2010 candidate test release of the December 2009 Edition of SongShow Plus is now available to current subscribers.
Read What's New for a more complete list of new features and enhancements. Subscribers can also visit the Beta Test Support forum to post feedback and questions regarding the beta version.
You can download the beta test installation from within SongShow Plus using the menu command Update > Check for Beta Version Updates or by going to http://www.songshowplus.com then to the Download page.
22 Jan 2010 03:31 PM
December 2009 Edition, 1/21/2010 Candidate Release by dreece in Latest News
The 1/21/2010 candidate test release of the December 2009 Edition of SongShow Plus is now available to current subscribers.
- Added configuration option to enable/disable multi-core support (for support purposes, the default is multi-core support enabled).
- Fixed missing Ctrl-V keystroke for Slide Show Builder.
- Fixed problem when Video Playback Settings is used for the first time with a video file (introduced in the first beta build).
- Fixed spin controls for absolute monitor placement settings.
- Fixed problem that could occur when selecting transitions in the Display Properties window.
Read What's New for a more complete list of new features and enhancements. Subscribers can also visit the Beta Test Support forum to post feedback and questions regarding the beta version.
You can download the beta test installation from within SongShow Plus using the menu command Update > Check for Beta Version Updates or by going to http://www.songshowplus.com then to the Download page.
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