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Last Post 22 Sep 2006 05:58 PM by ward heintz. 15 Replies.

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Joel Osborn User is Offline

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22 Feb 2006 01:54 PM
wercampbells wants to know: I am new to the SSP Forum forum and I have a couple of questions. I just upgraded to version 5.5. What is the proper use of motion backsgrounds for congregational songs? Is it used every Sunday for every song that is sung (is there an element of overkill) or is it used on a selective basis?

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22 Feb 2006 01:59 PM
There is no right answer to this question. Some folks like using it almost all the time. Others use it sparingly. Personally, I would certianly start out slow and conservative and not jump jump into all motion all the time the first week. Do it slowly at first and wait for feedback. Ask friends to keep thier ears open for comments around them. Remember, good media is like salt. Just enough to season. Not so much that you distract or cause high blood pressure. And welcome aboard. I hope you found your way over hear from the Fowler boards.

...Joel Milton Seventh Day Baptist Church ______ "I'm working on my 5 year plan. I just need to pick a font." - Chuck

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01 Mar 2006 10:20 AM
I think you'll find that there are almost as many answers to yoru question as there are churches using multimedia. And the answers will usually come down to opinion (and opinions are a lot like noses - pretty much everyone has one, and they're all different). We frequently use motion backgrounds for our contemporary worship songs, but in our traditional worship services it's rare that we use even a still picture as a background for a song. However, we do have a nearly absolute rule about our use of multimedia in general: Don't get in the way of worship. If it doesn't enhance worship, add to the message, etc., then don't do it. As a result we do many songs in our contemporary service that have only text over a plain background. Some people will tell you that putting song lyrics over motion video is a bad thing. Well, people have been watching that on TV for years - they're used to it. This is not a distraction for most people, and in fact most people won't even notice it. In our own church there are pretty much 2 responses to multimedia. 1. Wow, that's neat. 2. Get rid of the screen. Luckily the naysayers are in the minority. We have recently started adding an occasional video clip from barnafilms.com to the sermon slide shows - usually no more than 1 clip, preferably early in the sermon, and it MUST reinforce a key point. These have been very well received. Also, we have produced a handful of our own iWorship-like video clips in support of songs used in our contemporary worship service, again using video from barnafilms.com (to which we subscribed this year). One of the most interesting was for "Multiply Your Love", which we used specifically as an offertory and scene-setter before the sermon. People really took notice when a couple of the clips we used to build the video showed local scenes, and even our own members doing the Lord's work. Very effective. Roger

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02 Mar 2006 05:24 AM
Just a few thoughts to supplement yours: Posted By rkresge on 03/01/2006 10:20 AM ...we do have a nearly absolute rule about our use of multimedia in general: Don't get in the way of worship. If it doesn't enhance worship, add to the message, etc... Sounds like a useful rule except quite frankly, I don't know exactly what it means, what with musicians every where on the stage, discordant music, singers going on and off, preachers telling jokes, people nearby rustling papers, coughing, etc. ...people have been watching that on TV for years - they're used to it. This is not a distraction for most people, and in fact most people won't even notice it... Not only will most people people not notice it, its absence is a distraction to some whose visual sensibilities actually demand something. ...we have produced a handful of our own iWorship-like video clips...using video from barnafilms.com...One of the most interesting was for "Multiply Your Love", which we used specifically as an offertory and scene-setter before the sermon... This whole idea of piecing togething themes from stock clips has a lot of potential which many ssp users don't express interest in taking advantage, even with SSB. Chains can be thought of as a piece of it, using them behind promotional slides is another piece. Audio is a piece still needing attention. The idea permits putting things together that you can't simply run out and buy ready-made (or afford to buy). ...People really took notice when a couple of the clips we used to build the video showed local scenes, and even our own members doing the Lord's work. Very effective. Great touch! With everyone's cameras being able to take videos, this should get more and more common.

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02 Mar 2006 09:56 AM
Sounds like a useful rule except quite frankly, I don't know exactly what it means, what with musicians every where on the stage, discordant music, singers going on and off, preachers telling jokes, people nearby rustling papers, coughing, etc. Well, a video background featuring Nascar cars zooming by might not work real well with the song "Breathe", for example. This can be hard to define, other than you'll know it when you break the rule. This whole idea of piecing togething themes from stock clips has a lot of potential which many ssp users don't express interest in taking advantage, even with SSB. Chains can be thought of as a piece of it, using them behind promotional slides is another piece. Audio is a piece still needing attention. The idea permits putting things together that you can't simply run out and buy ready-made (or afford to buy). I'm hoping I can use this feature to attach a specific video clip to a song's chorus, for example. Since I already edit a lot of my own video (usually using Adobe Premiere), I really want to be able to attache a particular piece of video to a particular part of a song. Great touch! With everyone's cameras being able to take videos, this should get more and more common. People thought they were looking at an iWorship type video, which we use often enough that they are used to them. When the local scenes and church members started showing up they were amazed. I think we all need to start learning to use video editing. Most of us have all the tools we need to get started and don't know it; Windows Movie Maker is standard on Windows XP and ME, for example. And many of today's PCs are coming with easy-to-learn DVD authoring software.

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11 Mar 2006 08:28 AM
I am looking for a motion background of a candle burning with a dark background around it. I have seen one, I just don't know where to find it. Thanks! Wayne Taylor Serving with Village Missions New Life Christian Church Cable, OH

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11 Mar 2006 11:04 AM
Wayne, See if this site has what you are looking for.

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11 Mar 2006 11:05 AM
It would help if I actually included the link in the post...d'oh! http://www.vmgbackgrounds.com/demo/index.php?type=motion&cat=4 Jeff Jarvis Calvary Church of the Nazarene Charlotte, NC

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11 Mar 2006 11:43 AM
Thanks Jeff. Wayne Taylor Serving with Village Missions New Life Christian Church Cable, OH 43009

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13 Mar 2006 06:40 AM
Theres also some nice candle backgrounds here Digital hotcakes Worship Vol 1 enLighten http://www.animationsforvideo.com/html/worship_1.htm Also Radiate Films Extreme Yellow http://www.radiatefilms.com/ Theres lots of others if these are not what your looking for. hope this helps Rod

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13 Mar 2006 08:23 AM
Is there a listing somewhere of the sites that have video and still backgrounds? Wayne Taylor Serving with Village Missions Cable, OH

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13 Mar 2006 09:37 AM
Churchmedia.net has a links database that is a good start. They have categories for Stock Photos and Worship media. If you look at the samples that come with SSP, you'll see more, e.g. Worshipfilms, DigitalJuice, Digital Hotcakes. Those are the ones that come to my mind.

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28 Mar 2006 04:19 PM
I believe Digital Juice Jumpbacks Volume 13 I believe is more church related clips. Includes candles, crosses (great for those songs where you might need the cross!), communion clips, palm trees, doves, etc. Check it out!! All Jump Backs are royalty free. Buy them, yes, but you can use them for anything, including any video productions you may have.

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31 Mar 2006 07:12 AM
If you want christian imagery motion backgrounds for songs, here are a few others: Clips on Demand has their animotion - Christian Imagery one. Gman Video has a 2 vol Worship set Igniter Media Group has an Easter V1 Digital Hotcakes has a 4 vol "worship" set Video4Worship has a 2 vol "worship" set Video100, WorshipHouse Media, Fowler's OnScreenImpact, and others all carry quite a few products. For abstracts checkout ActionBacks (video100), which also include non-abstracts. For scenic, the largest variety is WorshipFilms, which I recommend. They also have specifically "christian" ones, such as Bible Backs, the Holy Land, Free to Worship, and others. WorshipScapes from MediaMinistryStuff.com also has a few. There are quite a few others out there. For motion backgrounds for hallway/nursery monitor "slide" shows you might want to check out BarnaFilms, and of course DigitalJuice has several stock video sets available.

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23 Jul 2006 03:34 AM
I found this site while searching google. www.reelworship.com Just follow the links in the middle of the page they have matching Loops and images Hope this helps

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22 Sep 2006 05:58 PM
Ian Britton's reelworship.com is an excellent site, as is his still image site, freefoto.com. Just be sure to spell it FOTO!! The only thing he asks is that you include attribution when you use his images.

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OK. Thanks. I'll just stay wiith Sept for now. Don't have time to mess with testing etc.

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