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SSP VS Easy Worship

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Jonathan Fisher User is Offline

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15 Mar 2006 08:03 AM
Hey all, I have been playing with both software demo versions. Our church will be going with one or the other. BUT I wanted to get some imput from all of you that have used software of this nature longer than I have. Pros - Cons Any help would be appreciated.

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15 Mar 2006 08:46 AM
I haven't read anyone on this forum who claims to know EW beyond dabbling with the on-line demos. But a few thoughts: 1. SSP has much more to it than meets the casual eye. 2. Someone recently posted that EW lacks one of the most basic features used in the sanctuary - the ability to sequence a song different from its database. I suppose EW may eventually add this, but now I wonder what else is missing. 3. I am familiar with some ssp features that I have never heard any competitor claim they also had. Part of this may be because product developers use differing vocabularies, but the other part is probably these features simply don't exist in other products. 4. In this day and age, manned sanctuary support mode (music, scripture, message notes) is fairly main stream, and SSP supports all those things very well. We also need unmanned hallway-monitor support (promotions, recognitions, scripture, and other topics) which SSP also handles quite well; one exception, though: it cannot play the audio of a video backgound clip at this time (it does from the manned sanctuary support position, just not the unmanned hallway-monitor mode.) 5. SSP can be thought of as "SongShow Plus" for what I called the manned sanctuary support mode, but it can also be thought of as "SplashShow Player" for playing in what I called the unmanned hallway-monitor mode, that is, playing what are officially known as "slide shows" even though you can "videoize" them substantially well beyond the PowerPoint look; you know, with that added Splash look to them.

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15 Mar 2006 08:52 AM
And if you take the time to learn them both, I'd be interested in your conclusions...

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15 Mar 2006 09:16 AM
I have gotten into both of them pretty deep at this point and done full services on both. I haven't seen anything in SSP about the Hallway Monitors though. I downloaded the PDF manual and can't locate anything about hallway monitors. That interest me. But with EW being a Site lisence and not a projector lisence I would think that could be accomplished fairly easy with them being on a different system and then they get the full sound too. I'm not sure what you mean by EW not being able to sequence a song not it is database. I have planned services but if I change to a different song..they can get to it and up on the screen with just a "double-click" on the song.

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15 Mar 2006 01:36 PM
From what I've heard, with EW, when you insert a song into a program, it has to be the same verse sequence as it is stored in the database. If you want to have a different verse sequence in the program, you need to make a copy of the song and rearrange it. With SSP, you insert the song into the program and it get the default verse sequence. But if you want to change the preprogrammed verse sequence, you just edit the verse sequence in the program object. No duplication of songs in the database just to support a different verse sequence. Of course, with both products you have the ablility to select which verse/chorus you want on the fly. But we try to preprogram as much of our service as possible, so the operator pretty much just as to press the + key. Some of the big things that SSP has that I don't believe EW has are the visualizations and 3-d transitions. The 3-d transitions are most useful for announcements and such. The visualizations can add movement to the screen w/o the expense of buying video loops, particularly if you like abstracts. With V7 coming, you can also set the transparency on a visualization and put a high contrast image under it, to add some moving color to a still picture. Or you can make it snow on any still background. The other thing is the Slide Show Builder. Some prefer this to Powerpoint, as you have access to the 3-d transitions and background visualiztions. This is what Lee was talking about for his hall monitors. Remember that with SSP licensing you can add additional projection licenses for $99 each, and have as many workstation licenses as you want.

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16 Mar 2006 06:34 AM
Posted By jrfisher on 03/15/2006 9:16 AM ...I haven't seen anything in SSP about the Hallway Monitors though... Sorry - that was my terminology intended to help clarify of what I consider to be a primary purpose of the Slide Show Builder. I'm sure you've read that SSB lets you build "slide" shows, not unlike Power Point but much more video-capable, and SongShow Plus is the player to play them. But these "slide" shows are not intended for sanctuary use as much as for building hallway monitors (or nurseries, or the kitchen, etc) or perphaps pre-service "announcement" loops which can simply be thought of as entending the hallway monitors into the auditorium for a short period of time.

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16 Mar 2006 07:05 AM
Posted By osborn4 on 03/15/2006 1:36 PM ...The visualizations can add movement to the screen w/o the expense of buying video loops, particularly if you like abstracts. Another benefit is that with purchased visualizations, they are what they are, whereas in ssp they can be adjusted differently each time you use them. With V7 ... you can also set the transparency on a visualization and put a high contrast image under it, to add some moving color to a still picture. and this idea is not limited to visualizations - you can have a high-contrast cosss (or whatever) showing through any motion image; you create your own display in a way you can not buy anywhere. Remember that with SSP licensing you can add additional projection licenses for $99 each, and have as many workstation licenses as you want. Unlicensed ssp's are 100% functional but those computers will display a WORKSTATION watermark; the projection license is for the computers to be used to display publicly, it removes the watermark.

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16 Mar 2006 08:09 AM
Posted By jrfisher on 03/15/2006 9:16 AM I have gotten into both of them pretty deep at this point and done full services on both... Jonathan - question for you: There is a problem with some motion backgrounds we have run into that you probably have, also. We have some purchased motions backgrounds that, as far as scenery goes, are nice nature scenes, yet they cannot be used behind songs. A sunset might be too intense, or too much contrast between parts of the video, or a candle is distracting, etc. So for years those scenes or motion files just sat there on the server, unused. But now, with the new v7 effects capabilities (check out Doug's Ssplog) , I have been able to use them by adjusting some of the display parameters. Those files no longer have to just sit there! Does EW have any such equivalent capability (to adjust the display parameters of video files)?

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27 Mar 2006 11:34 AM
Don't know if easy worship does or not, I dont' think it does (i've used it for a while). However, you ought to be able to use like Adobe Premiere or something to change the coloring of your videos, opacity, etc. Whereas changing them in SSP or whatever program will probably require more processing time and fiddeling...

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27 Mar 2006 01:40 PM
Posted By mikedawwg on 03/27/2006 11:34 AM Don't know if easy worship does or not, I dont' think it does (i've used it for a while). However, you ought to be able to use like Adobe Premiere or something to change the coloring of your videos, opacity, etc. Whereas changing them in SSP or whatever program will probably require more processing time and fiddeling... Whoa! Processing individual video files in Premiere will take vast amounts of time, processor cycles and disk space. Plus the time to experiment in order to achieve just the right combination of settings. Whereas in SSP v7, when it comes out soon, you can adjust the brightness, contrast, color, opacity and sharpness of any video clip and view the results in seconds. This is going to be an incredibly powerful feature. Blessings! Roger

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27 Mar 2006 01:48 PM
lol! you may be right, I'll have to see how easy, stable and all that it is to do so, I might be able to eliminate some video files that are same thing, different shades of color. I guess my thing is being able to change the colors while live showing a song or whatever....hmmmm we shall see!!

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05 Jun 2006 12:45 AM
Technical note: EasyWorship uses Borland Paradox as a backend database. This should work well provided you don't try to store it on a network or share it between users. But EW does promote the idea that you can share it between multiple users - which in my experience of Paradox is fraught with problems.

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18 Mar 2010 06:52 AM
RE: How to Revert from Beta to Official Release by osborn4 in User Support - V7

Posted By Alexander Kurdyumov on 17 Mar 2010 10:23 PM
I found the place to install the older version, however it only has December and no September. Please let me know where can I get a file or whether it's saved somewhere on the PC.

The Downloads Page should has December, September and before.

18 Mar 2010 06:47 AM
RE: March 2010 Edition Available for Beta Testing by osborn4 in Latest News

Posted By Kenneth Rosentrater on 17 Mar 2010 08:39 PM

I suppose you are right. However, with a full plate I just didn't have time then to mess with it, so I reverted to the September release. I'll have to wait for a day when I can give a few hours, as I am sure it will take!

thanks

I understand that situation. Been there several times. But usually pleased with the result once I do have time to call and have them take a look.

17 Mar 2010 10:00 AM
March 2010 Beta - How to use Color Improv link is missing by George in SongShow Plus Beta Release Articles

Color Improv is included as part of the new Improv Collection and it appears in the Plug-ins panel that is typically at the bottom of the SSP Control Panel. This tab is supposed to have a "How to use this plug-in" link similar to the Background Improv with basic instructions. This omission was an oversight and it will be added later.

The Color Improv is an advanced effect that allows on the fly hue adjustment and can be applied from the advanced effects tab in the display properties anywhere it is present.

One thing to keep in mind when using this is that Color Improv is a Hue adjustment and not a color filter so when applying this the result may be very subtle depending on what the original color or colors are.

This is pretty cool so have fun with it!

16 Mar 2010 09:51 PM
RE: Computer Setups by fbcgoshen in The 'Wave Pool'

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16 Mar 2010 04:30 PM
March 2010 Edition Beta Available Now - Please Read before posting by George in Beta Test Support

The March 2010 Edition of SSP is now in beta testing and is available to current subscribers.

You can download the beta test installation from within SSP using the menu command Update > Check for Beta Version Updates or by going to http://www.songshowplus.com then to the Download page.

Read What's New for a more complete list of new features and enhancements.

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Please review the recent postings in this Beta Forum to see if there is already a thread on your issue and the Beta Knowledge Base area to see if it has already been addressed.

16 Mar 2010 04:25 PM
RE: Unstable for me by iamgap in Beta Test Support

I haven't yet updated to the latest release. Was this resolved? If not, it just happened again on the 2/24 beta.

It hung when switching from one song to another. One had the clouds animation with an image overlay @ 25% transparency and 100% size. The next had a Shift Worship MPG file (praise in cliff).

In order to get it to pop an Alert!, I clicked the SSP task (on the Windows Task Bar) three seperate times. The second reported Not Responding, the third popped the Alert!.

3432 - Hint: Ssp: Unable to use fill type: Video File. Reason: Unable to use video file due to it's slow response time

I have a pretty long trace file if you would like it. The video file is in the SSP Video directory, on the local HDD.

EDIT: I edited the file type from WMV to MPG, as I realized it was one of the few MPG types we still had. I also downloaded the WMV version, and used that after restarting SSP, without issue.

15 Mar 2010 04:12 PM
RE: Recommended Professional Level Video Cards (DI009) by George in Display Issues

*******ALERT*******

There has been a reported fan speed issue related to the NVIDIA 196.75 video driver. Consumers are reporting low video card fan speeds, overheating and hardware failure.

LINK TO NVIDIA DRIVER NOTIFICATION

This particular driver is not one that was recommended by the SSP Team, however there may be cause for concern if you recently updated your video drivers.

NVIDIA has removed the 196.75 driver version from the download area but it is worth checking your system to ensure you do not have it installed. If you have this driver installed the recommendation is to uninstall it immediately and install an older driver.

14 Mar 2010 03:41 PM
RE: some avi's kill SSP by Rick Everingham in User Support - V7

I have seen this to some extent, however once I installed the K-lite code pack, this issue seems to have gone away, as it is pretty inclusive in containing all the codecs.

13 Mar 2010 10:22 PM
RE: LogMeIn.com by fbcgoshen in Tips & Tricks

I use logmein every week to set up my program. As a matter of fact i just got done setting up the service for tomorrow using this. It comes in really handy if you are unable to attend a service and they are having issues. I have corrected monitor settings and what not from my office or lazyboy.

The other thing is we have a digital mackie mixer hooked to a different pc. I am able to run the board from home. I am able to work on the live audio feed from home since you don't always know what is going on with the feed at the church. I can also help other sound techs when they have issues.

I would highly recommend it to anyone. It is free unless you want the advanced features. It is also a good way to keep office computers going.

12 Mar 2010 11:11 AM
RE: Does December 2009 Edition Support Unicode? by dreece in User Support - V7

We understand the need for this, and work continues under the hood torward that goal. We will be sure to make it well known once this capability is supported.

12 Mar 2010 09:49 AM
RE: Bug in 2/26/10 build by akins in User Support - V7

I might add to what George said by directing you to "presets" for songs and other items. We use somewhat similar formats for songs and scriptures each Sunday and I have "preset" these for quick application. I then can make modifications as desired for a particular Sunday.

12 Mar 2010 09:44 AM
RE: How to use ssptimer files by akins in User Support - V7

Just select the type you want (5 min, etc.) from the list and place it in the program. You can then edit the timer changing font, size, color (just two), placement, and two lines of text. Actually, the editing choices are fairly limited and have been the subject of wishes for sometime, but you can usually play around and get a decent look. Right clicking on the timer in the program and selecting "display properties" at the top of the list will allow you to add background color, images, and/or videos and you can apply "advance effects" to any of these.

11 Mar 2010 11:18 AM
Right-Click copy/paste menu does not work in PPT song import panel (TS098) by George in Troubleshooting

Symptom:
During a Song import from PPT the right-click menu is no longer available in the Slide Text box when importing song text from a PPT. This may cause difficulty in editing content. Import is still possible and text entry and deletion are possible, only the right click menu is affected.

Possible Cause:
Unknown - the root cause of this is still under investigation.

Possible Solution:
Import is still possible and text entry and deletion are possible. The CTRL-X, CTRL-C and CTRL-V keyboard shortcuts work as well. If a significant change in the arrangement of the text in the PowerPoint file is needed, this can be done using Microsoft PowerPoint.

(TS098)

10 Mar 2010 05:37 PM
December 2009 Edition - Bug Fixes (SSP070) by George in SongShow Plus Issues

There are some previously reported bugs that have been fixed in the December 2009 Edition:

Drag and drop in Win XP was broken and fixed in the Beta cycle.
Quick Message was broken and fixed in the Beta cycle.
Live Video was broken and fixed in the Beta cycle. This fix was an improvement of the previous patch that was required to use the Live Video Plug-in.
An issue with nvidia driver version 196.21 that broke the SSP Beta on XP was corrected.
Print Slideshow and song list selection spinners grayed out
Builder re-run error causing file browser to open unexpectedly.
H.264 issue with playback of .m4v, .mp4v, and .mpg4 video corrected.
Path displayed incomplete when adding sub-folders to panels.
Snowflake Wipe transition not working as expected.
Font selection when editing text in the Slide Show Builder not working as expected.
Background Improv folder navigation and state save corrected.
Monitor options placements selector not working as expected.
CTRL-V does not paste copied objects as expected in Slide Show Builder.

(SSP070)

10 Mar 2010 03:05 PM
H.264 videos or thumbnails may cause SSP to be unstable and lock up (TS097) by George in Troubleshooting

Symptom:
H.264 Video or thumbnails may cause SSP to be unstable and lock up when added or viewed.

Possible Cause:
It appears that there are some H.264 video that can cause trouble in SSP. At this time this is very rare, however, the root cause of this is still under investigation.

Possible Solution:
This was discovered using movie trailer files that would play fine in applications other than SSP. At this time there is no solution but it is best to try a different file to make sure it is not a wider issue. Please contact the Support Team and provide the video file for analysis.

(TS097)

10 Mar 2010 11:56 AM
RE: Audio clip doesn't restart when slide show restarts by George in User Support - V7

Hmm - Interesting...

I just tried this using blank slides entered as program elements and got the same expected behavior I described before. Are you using "blank" blank slides (default blank slide is black color only) or do you have something else set for your blank slides?

I would say at this point if the behavior persists and you can duplicated it, contact the support team so they can do a remote with you and actually see what is going on.

09 Mar 2010 05:59 PM
RE: SSP Version 5.5 with SongSelect Online by iamgap in User Support - V5.5

I too would recommed that you backup/archive/zip your current R-Technics folder and install the evaluation of version seven. If the PC cannot handle it, which I doubt, do a complete uninstall of Version 7 and go back to version 5.5.

It is my understanding that version 7 is much more stable, and can function more efficiently on an older machine than version 5.5 can.

09 Mar 2010 05:52 PM
RE: 32bit vs. 64bit by iamgap in User Support - V7 on Windows 7

To add yet another fly into the ointment...

I didn't realize that my MoBo has a 4 year old (2 yr older than the mobo) chip on it (intel 945). So even though the processor and motherboard can support up to 4 GB of RAM, the chipset can only address 3.2 GB of RAM.

What I am most upset about is that the board advertised that it could support up to 4 GB of RAM, but didn't say it could only address 3.2. Had I known that, I wouldn't have bought this board. Time for an upgrade. Now I gotta find a board that supports the RAM that I just bought for this board.

09 Mar 2010 10:47 AM
Video file types supported in Video Chain (MI016) by George in Media Issues

The video file extensions that are supported in SongShow Plus^TM for the Video Chain tool are a subset of the video file extensions that are supported in SSP globally.

Keep in mind the required codec/filter still needs to be available on the system for proper playback of these file formats.

Video Clip (*.avi)
Video (*.mpg4)
Video (*.mp4)
Video (*.m4v)
Video (*.mp4v)
Video (*.mov)
Movie Clip (*.mpg)
Movie Clip (*.mpeg)
Movie Clip (*.mpe)
Movie Clip (*.m1v)
Windows Media Audio/Video File (*.wmv)

If some of the listed types do not appear in the Video Chain panel, review the instructions for selecting visible video types in the KB article MI010.

(MI016)

09 Mar 2010 08:11 AM
RE: SSP loses audio when run with PowerDVD by norvilles in User Support - V7

Ah. Never would have thought that those two things would go hand in hand.

SSP News

18 Mar 2010 06:47 AM
RE: March 2010 Edition Available for Beta Testing by osborn4 in Latest News

Posted By Kenneth Rosentrater on 17 Mar 2010 08:39 PM

I suppose you are right. However, with a full plate I just didn't have time then to mess with it, so I reverted to the September release. I'll have to wait for a day when I can give a few hours, as I am sure it will take!

thanks

I understand that situation. Been there several times. But usually pleased with the result once I do have time to call and have them take a look.

09 Mar 2010 07:30 AM
RE: Cinematic Effects Collection: Easter Special from GoFishMedia by osborn4 in Latest News

And if you have multiple projection licenses, one purchase covers all of them.

03 Mar 2010 12:10 PM
RE: December 2009 Edition Released by norvilles in Latest News

No problem.

Also I tested on Windows 7 64bit and Windows XP 64bit.

05 Feb 2010 08:13 PM
December 2009 Edition, 2/4/2010 Candidate Release by dreece in Latest News

The 2/4/2010 candidate test release of the December 2009 Edition of SongShow Plus is now available to current subscribers.

XP/nVidia driver problem is resolve.
Single core use is now the default. Users can still switch to multi-core mode.

Read What's New for a more complete list of new features and enhancements. Subscribers can also visit the Beta Test Support forum to post feedback and questions regarding the beta version.

You can download the beta test installation from within SongShow Plus using the menu command Update > Check for Beta Version Updates or by going to http://www.songshowplus.com then to the Download page.

29 Jan 2010 03:40 PM
December 2009 Edition, 1/28/2010 Candidate Release by dreece in Latest News

The 1/28/2010 candidate test release of the December 2009 Edition of SongShow Plus is now available to current subscribers.

Various bug fixes.

Read What's New for a more complete list of new features and enhancements. Subscribers can also visit the Beta Test Support forum to post feedback and questions regarding the beta version.

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