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Gary Presley User is Offline

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25 Apr 2006 08:26 PM
I am looking to upgrade the video card on the projection machine, and our church can only budget about 275 for a replacement video card. All I am finding (has to be agp) are 6800GS and 7800GS cards. Is the GS the bottom quality chip, or is it the replacement for the GT? I have read on some review suites that the GS is supposed to be an upgrade from the older GTs, but I am wondering why they cost so much less. If I was to choose between an NVidia GeForce 6800GS Super 512MB 8x AGP Video Card at 270, or a GeForce 7800 GS CO - 256MB DDR3 at 280 logic would tell me to go with the 7800GS. The question I have is, should I look for a GT with less memory, or maybe even a 6600GT w/ 256MB as opposed to a GS model? Thanks for any input.

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26 Apr 2006 06:06 AM
Years ago when I was looking into video cards I went to ATI's web site and spent time studying their architectural info that they posted (they had schematics). I didn't know what I was looking for, I was just absorbing what they showed. By the way, graphics processing was a completely foreign world to me. If nVidia happens to post architectural info, you might be able to understand what is different about your candidate models. You are probably right, the cheaper one most likely is leaving something out. Of course, even if you should discover what is left out, trying to find out whether SSP cares is another matter...

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26 Apr 2006 07:22 AM
Id recomend matrox video cards all the way!! NVidia and ATI cards are desiged for.... wait for it...games!, there core purpose is to render polygons (to make smooth 3d surfaces in games) and they do this really well, however displaying a slide, slideshow or video dosent require any of that kind of polygon rendering... Matrox cards are designed specifically for video and graphics applications, in that there optimised for rendering gradients and vectors to screen, they do a far far better job of any graphics or video stuff than any nvida or ati card ever will. The drawback... they sound expensive for what youre getting... ati and nvidia boast huge amounts of video ram etc, but personally id put a 64mb matrox card in a ssp machine anyday over a 512 or more mb nvidia or ati, in my experience they always have performed noticibly better... you sould check them out before making a decision hope this helps Ben

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26 Apr 2006 10:03 AM
Thanks for the input on the Matrox cards, but in the Support area they say not to use Matrox. For SongShow Plus 5.5 and 7.0 the lowest end cards supported are the nVidia TI4200 and the ATI Radeon 9000. Be aware that these are the lowest cards supported and that many features will not be available on them. No Matrox cards are supported. We recommend the nVidia 6600GT or ATI X700 Pro video cards or better for the best results using advanced SongShow Plus features. I guess this also answers my question about which card. I will just go with a 6600GT, as I will also need to spend some money on a P/S that will support the beefier video card.

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26 Apr 2006 10:34 AM
The research we've done seems to indicate that the 7800 GS is the best performing NVIDIA card if you do not have PCI Xpress. The 6800 GS seems to be a step down from the 6800 GT, which in turn is a step down from the 6800 ULTRA. Furthermore, the 6600 is a step down from the 6800. Good luck on your decision. SSP does NOT support Matrox video cards in DirectX mode.

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26 Apr 2006 10:37 AM
Gap, For that price you should be able to find a very nice replacement card. For nVidia, the GS is the low end chip. However, you may want to look at ATI's X1600 line of cards as they do come in the AGP flavor. I'd also take a look at the nVidia 7600 cards and see if they also come in AGP. Regarding the Matrox cards, we do not support their use with SongShow Plus. SSP is actually geared towards a video game based video card and not a workstation card such as the Matrox lineups. A Matrox card may or may not work with SSP but regardless, we do not recommend, or support them.

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26 Apr 2006 01:19 PM
It is certainly useful to rank the cards, but ranking isn't always enough. I searched and spent about 10 minutes on a Linux site that talked about the GeForce 7800GS AGP specs, saying its memory BW is 54 GB/sec, fill rate 13.2, etc., and also saying the 7800GS supports DirectX 9.0 shader model 3.0. Now what is the BW of the 6800? etc. Of course there are other parameters to consider, some more interesting than others. A follow-up question is, does that then mean the 6800 does not support shader model 3.0? And what does SSP care about model 3 vs 2? It shouldn't be that difficult for someone to put a few key parameters in a side-by-side chart for various products, with maybe a column saying whether or not SSP benefits from that capability (unless it turns out SSP uses all card capabilities, which someone said it doesn't) ...

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26 Apr 2006 01:31 PM
Agreed. Of all the times I've looked at video cards, I spend the most looking for those kinds of specs. I would think they'd be right out there on the sight or in the sales litereature (pdfs), but you really have to dig to find them. And I'm not always successful. A grid chart with those specs would be very valuable.

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27 Apr 2006 12:44 AM
Prior to SSP 5.5, the Matrox G450 was the favored card of SSP. However, when we moved to motion backgrounds and other high-end video featuers like visualizations and 3D transitions, we found that the Matrox cards were problematic. One card we tested, the Parhelia (and paid a bunch of money for it BTW), only allocated 32MB to one of its display outputs. This was a problem for us. Since then, we have not considered any Matrox cards for compatibility testing. Perhaps things have changed and we should have another look. (Ironically, I use the Matrox Parhelia when we do Graphics Animation and Motion Effects Research Sessions).

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05 Jun 2006 12:59 AM
Matrox cards tried: Millenium G450LE AGP 16MB dualhead Millenium G450LE PCI 16MB dualhead Two out of two. Both worked beautifully. But they are too lowspec to do SSP well. ATI: Powercolor 9600 XT Pro AGP 256MB. Flaky drivers crashed machine too many times to remember. Powercolor X300SE PCIe 128MB. Machine hangs during boot intermittently. Powercolor 9550 PCI 128MB. First one went fine for a year then died suddenly. Powercolor 9550 PCI 128MB. Second one bought at the same time is still working properly along with the 9600XTPro. Powercolor 9550 PCI 128MB. Third one replaced the first. Machine hangs during XP boot until fudging a BIOS setting to make it boot the onboard card first. Worked for about a month then failed when the PC was moved to a different location. After changing to a different slot it started working again. The techs also had the PC in the workshop for a week to try to determine the problem, the Intel motherboard was also changed but the only thing that could be done was the BIOS fudge mentioned. So one ATI card works perfectly out of five so far. NVidia: one card tried so far. THe secondary disables itself at startup because it can't detect. ATI will still let you attach the secondary after startup, Matrox is best of all as it doesn't care whether anything is there or not. So less than happy with Nvidia either. I'd love to put a Millenium P650 in that PCI Express slot but the SSP website says Matrox cards are unsupported, whatever that means.

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05 Jun 2006 04:53 AM
I will point out that all of those ATIs that you tried were lower end. I wouldn't go for anything lower than an X700 PRO with 256MB of RAM myself. That's what we've got and it's working fine. Your list doesn't include an 9700, 9800, x700 or x800. Also, we did have trouble with drivers, but that has gotten much better. Another thing to keep in mind, which I don't like about ATI, is that the SE cards are made with chips that don't past muster for the PRO level cards.

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05 Jun 2006 08:34 AM
It's also worth noting that I found a 9550 with 256MB for $40 today. This just goes to show how out-of-date this card is. We strongly urge our users to buy the most expensive video card they can afford (that isn't a workstation card like the: Matrox, nVidia Quadro, or ATI FireGL card). I would suggest reviewing our system requirements page at http://ssplash.com/_sspsupport/System Requirements.html to get a better feel for which cards we suggest and the performance that you might expect while using these cards.

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06 Jun 2006 12:28 AM
I'd love to put a Millenium P650 in that PCI Express slot but the SSP website says Matrox cards are unsupported, whatever that means. In the last Maxtrox card we tested, the Parhelia, we found that the way SSP uses DirectX was not compatible with the card. One of its adapters was only allocated 32 MB of memory.

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24 Jun 2007 03:40 PM
Bringing this back to the top because I am looking at getting a new card. It looks like GS is the only option available to AGP boards with the 7k series. In that series, I can go with a 512 7600 or a 256 7800. I have read reports that the 512 memory (DDR2) is a bit slow. My question would be is the 7800 enough to make up for the -256, or should I go with the 512 and slower processor? I guess I also want to ask, does SSP prefer more memory, or faster memory? Of course I could just save it all towards a PC upgrade later this year.

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25 Jun 2007 06:46 AM
Posted By iamgap on 06/24/2007 3:40 PM ...Of course I could just save it all towards a PC upgrade later this year. That is what I am doing...

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25 Jun 2007 10:16 AM
I would look at the video card as something you could use now and in the new machine. I find very few computers that have a beefy enough vid card as an option. So quite often you'd end up buying one seperately, anyway.

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26 Jun 2007 05:07 PM
Joel, I used to agree with you. Now most decent main boards are pci express while a lot of older boards like mine are agp. Not compatible. So we upgraded our video cards now and hope they will hold up a couple more years when we should be able to replace the whole pc.

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26 Jun 2007 05:08 PM
That would mean waiting, as an AGP will not fit in a future PCIE MoBo.

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27 Jun 2007 06:47 AM
You are both, of course, correct. I had forgotten how recent the switch from AGP to PCI-X was. The only way we'd be swapping out our PCI-X machine is to trickle it down to one of the staff machines.

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19 Mar 2010 12:11 PM
March 2010 Beta - projected content disappears after transition in Workstation mode by George in SongShow Plus Beta Release Articles

In the 3/16 beta release, When using SSP in Workstation mode, projected content disappears after transition is complete.

This has been corrected in the 3/17 beta release. Please update if you encounter this issue.

19 Mar 2010 11:59 AM
March 2010 Beta - Videos will not play when Stage Monitor is enabled by George in SongShow Plus Beta Release Articles

In the 3/16 beta release, When the Stage Monitor was enabled, videos would not play and an alert calling out a display properties error would occur.

This has been corrected in the 3/17 beta release. Please update if you encounter this issue.

19 Mar 2010 11:52 AM
March 2010 Beta - Web Pages Panel not showing up by George in SongShow Plus Beta Release Articles

The new Web Pages Panel icon is not currently appearing in the Database Panel toolbar by default. It does appear when a clean install is done but not when an update is done.
We are working on correcting this but in the mean time this can be corrected using the following steps:

If you use the default toolbar layout:
1. Right-click on the database toolbar and select Customize...
2. Click the "Use Default Controls" button in the lower left corner of the toolbar design window.
3. Click "Save" to save changes and close the editor.
This will update the toolbar configuration to include the Web Pages Panel.

If you have customised your toolbar layout:
1. Right-click on the database toolbar and select Customize...
2. Once in the toolbar design window, Make sure the "Left" control tab is selected.
3. From the right column of the toolbar design window, scroll down and select "Show Web Pages Panel".
4. Once added, you can adjust the location of the icon by clicking and dragging.
5. Click "Save" to save changes and close the editor.
This will update the toolbar configuration to include the Web Pages Panel without changing your current customizations.

You can also view the Web Pages Panel from the View menu on the main toolbar.

19 Mar 2010 11:35 AM
March 2010 Edition, 3/17/2010 Beta Release by dreece in Latest News

The 3/17/2010 beta test release of the March 2010 Edition of SongShow Plus is now available to current subscribers.

Fixed problem with presenting images and videos while the stage monitor is active.
Various other fixes.

Read What's New for a more complete list of new features and enhancements. Subscribers can also visit the Beta Test Support forum to post feedback and questions regarding the beta version.

You can download the beta test installation from within SongShow Plus using the menu command Update > Check for Beta Version Updates or by going to http://www.songshowplus.com then to the Download page.

19 Mar 2010 09:17 AM
RE: How to Revert from Beta to Official Release by dreece in User Support - V7

Alexander,

Please clarify something, perhaps I missed this point: Are you saying that the September 2009 Edition handles the Russian language better than the December 2009 edition does? While its true that full unicode support is still in the works, I know of nothing specifically that changed that should have caused SSP to be less compatible with non-English languages in the December 2009 Edition. At the very least, we'd like to identify this issue and determine if there is a reasonable fix for it prior to the implementation of Unicode support.

18 Mar 2010 04:36 PM
RE: March 2010 Edition Available for Beta Testing by chapelbythesea in Latest News

OK. Thanks. I'll just stay wiith Sept for now. Don't have time to mess with testing etc.

18 Mar 2010 04:08 PM
RE: Official Status by chapelbythesea in User Support - V7 on Windows 7

Just to let you know, the Win 7 compatible release downgraded usability on my Win 7 machine, as compared to the non-Win 7 compatible previous release. The issues raised are posted in the Windows 7 User Support forum. One person suggested uninstalling and reinstalling with Cinematic FX disabled.

I haven't tried because I don't have time to mess with it. Will wait to hear that all such surprises have been cleared out.

thanks
ken rosentrater

18 Mar 2010 03:30 PM
Issue with Cinematic FX by Cleber Caldas in User Support - V7 on Windows 7

Just moving the discussion from "March 2010 Edition Available for Beta Testing" forum to this one as suggested.
At least for me, as described below, it was solved by not installing Cinematic FX, though we lose this plugin functionality, obviously.
Not sure if it will solve Ken's problem too, though I think so. I am only copying/pasting his post.

17 Mar 2010 05:36 PM

Greetings, I do hope that the Windows 7 compatibility will be fully worked out by the time this one comes out. The December version is virtually unusable on my Windows 7 workstation, I am sorry to report to you. I went back to September edition. (Dec edition works fine on our XP presentation machine.)

Here are the issues my near-brand-new Windows 7 Professional has with Dec release of SSP:

1) Red "X" close button non-functional
2) "Exit" on menu non-functional
(ctrl-alt-del only way to close out Dec SSP on Windows 7 Professional OS)
3) "Program" drop-down menu non-functional
4) "Songs" drop-down menu non-functional
5) "Song/Edit" context menu non-functional

Thank you

Ken Rosentrater

17 Mar 2010 09:08 PM

I had the very same problem while I was trying out the December Version with the Windows 7. After some "trial and error" process, I found out the problem is related to the "Cinematic FX" collection.

Try to uninstall and reinstall it without the Cinematic FX option (unselect it when reinstalling SSP). It worked fine for me. Good luck.

Cleber
P.S.: We run Windows 7 Professional 64bit Brazilian Portuguese version with a NVidia Geforce GT250 512MB video card.

17 Mar 2010 10:00 AM
March 2010 Beta - How to use Color Improv link is missing by George in SongShow Plus Beta Release Articles

Color Improv is included as part of the new Improv Collection and it appears in the Plug-ins panel that is typically at the bottom of the SSP Control Panel. This tab is supposed to have a "How to use this plug-in" link similar to the Background Improv with basic instructions. This omission was an oversight and it will be added later.

The Color Improv is an advanced effect that allows on the fly hue adjustment and can be applied from the advanced effects tab in the display properties anywhere it is present.

One thing to keep in mind when using this is that Color Improv is a Hue adjustment and not a color filter so when applying this the result may be very subtle depending on what the original color or colors are.

This is pretty cool so have fun with it!

16 Mar 2010 09:51 PM
RE: Computer Setups by fbcgoshen in The 'Wave Pool'

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16 Mar 2010 04:30 PM
March 2010 Edition Beta Available Now - Please Read before posting by George in Beta Test Support

The March 2010 Edition of SSP is now in beta testing and is available to current subscribers.

You can download the beta test installation from within SSP using the menu command Update > Check for Beta Version Updates or by going to http://www.songshowplus.com then to the Download page.

Read What's New for a more complete list of new features and enhancements.

We encourage and appreciate users posting to the Beta Forum regarding possible bugs and comments. When posting bugs or comments to the Beta Forum, please make a separate post for each possible bug to make it easier to maintain continuity when discussing bugs in the forum.

If additional information is needed or a remote session is desired, a representative may contact you directly regarding a possible bug you have submitted.

Please review the recent postings in this Beta Forum to see if there is already a thread on your issue and the Beta Knowledge Base area to see if it has already been addressed.

16 Mar 2010 04:25 PM
RE: Unstable for me by iamgap in Beta Test Support

I haven't yet updated to the latest release. Was this resolved? If not, it just happened again on the 2/24 beta.

It hung when switching from one song to another. One had the clouds animation with an image overlay @ 25% transparency and 100% size. The next had a Shift Worship MPG file (praise in cliff).

In order to get it to pop an Alert!, I clicked the SSP task (on the Windows Task Bar) three seperate times. The second reported Not Responding, the third popped the Alert!.

3432 - Hint: Ssp: Unable to use fill type: Video File. Reason: Unable to use video file due to it's slow response time

I have a pretty long trace file if you would like it. The video file is in the SSP Video directory, on the local HDD.

EDIT: I edited the file type from WMV to MPG, as I realized it was one of the few MPG types we still had. I also downloaded the WMV version, and used that after restarting SSP, without issue.

15 Mar 2010 04:12 PM
RE: Recommended Professional Level Video Cards (DI009) by George in Display Issues

*******ALERT*******

There has been a reported fan speed issue related to the NVIDIA 196.75 video driver. Consumers are reporting low video card fan speeds, overheating and hardware failure.

LINK TO NVIDIA DRIVER NOTIFICATION

This particular driver is not one that was recommended by the SSP Team, however there may be cause for concern if you recently updated your video drivers.

NVIDIA has removed the 196.75 driver version from the download area but it is worth checking your system to ensure you do not have it installed. If you have this driver installed the recommendation is to uninstall it immediately and install an older driver.

14 Mar 2010 03:41 PM
RE: some avi's kill SSP by Rick Everingham in User Support - V7

I have seen this to some extent, however once I installed the K-lite code pack, this issue seems to have gone away, as it is pretty inclusive in containing all the codecs.

13 Mar 2010 10:22 PM
RE: LogMeIn.com by fbcgoshen in Tips & Tricks

I use logmein every week to set up my program. As a matter of fact i just got done setting up the service for tomorrow using this. It comes in really handy if you are unable to attend a service and they are having issues. I have corrected monitor settings and what not from my office or lazyboy.

The other thing is we have a digital mackie mixer hooked to a different pc. I am able to run the board from home. I am able to work on the live audio feed from home since you don't always know what is going on with the feed at the church. I can also help other sound techs when they have issues.

I would highly recommend it to anyone. It is free unless you want the advanced features. It is also a good way to keep office computers going.

12 Mar 2010 11:11 AM
RE: Does December 2009 Edition Support Unicode? by dreece in User Support - V7

We understand the need for this, and work continues under the hood torward that goal. We will be sure to make it well known once this capability is supported.

12 Mar 2010 09:49 AM
RE: Bug in 2/26/10 build by akins in User Support - V7

I might add to what George said by directing you to "presets" for songs and other items. We use somewhat similar formats for songs and scriptures each Sunday and I have "preset" these for quick application. I then can make modifications as desired for a particular Sunday.

12 Mar 2010 09:44 AM
RE: How to use ssptimer files by akins in User Support - V7

Just select the type you want (5 min, etc.) from the list and place it in the program. You can then edit the timer changing font, size, color (just two), placement, and two lines of text. Actually, the editing choices are fairly limited and have been the subject of wishes for sometime, but you can usually play around and get a decent look. Right clicking on the timer in the program and selecting "display properties" at the top of the list will allow you to add background color, images, and/or videos and you can apply "advance effects" to any of these.

11 Mar 2010 11:18 AM
Right-Click copy/paste menu does not work in PPT song import panel (TS098) by George in Troubleshooting

Symptom:
During a Song import from PPT the right-click menu is no longer available in the Slide Text box when importing song text from a PPT. This may cause difficulty in editing content. Import is still possible and text entry and deletion are possible, only the right click menu is affected.

Possible Cause:
Unknown - the root cause of this is still under investigation.

Possible Solution:
Import is still possible and text entry and deletion are possible. The CTRL-X, CTRL-C and CTRL-V keyboard shortcuts work as well. If a significant change in the arrangement of the text in the PowerPoint file is needed, this can be done using Microsoft PowerPoint.

(TS098)

10 Mar 2010 05:37 PM
December 2009 Edition - Bug Fixes (SSP070) by George in SongShow Plus Issues

There are some previously reported bugs that have been fixed in the December 2009 Edition:

Drag and drop in Win XP was broken and fixed in the Beta cycle.
Quick Message was broken and fixed in the Beta cycle.
Live Video was broken and fixed in the Beta cycle. This fix was an improvement of the previous patch that was required to use the Live Video Plug-in.
An issue with nvidia driver version 196.21 that broke the SSP Beta on XP was corrected.
Print Slideshow and song list selection spinners grayed out
Builder re-run error causing file browser to open unexpectedly.
H.264 issue with playback of .m4v, .mp4v, and .mpg4 video corrected.
Path displayed incomplete when adding sub-folders to panels.
Snowflake Wipe transition not working as expected.
Font selection when editing text in the Slide Show Builder not working as expected.
Background Improv folder navigation and state save corrected.
Monitor options placements selector not working as expected.
CTRL-V does not paste copied objects as expected in Slide Show Builder.

(SSP070)

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19 Mar 2010 11:35 AM
March 2010 Edition, 3/17/2010 Beta Release by dreece in Latest News

The 3/17/2010 beta test release of the March 2010 Edition of SongShow Plus is now available to current subscribers.

Fixed problem with presenting images and videos while the stage monitor is active.
Various other fixes.

Read What's New for a more complete list of new features and enhancements. Subscribers can also visit the Beta Test Support forum to post feedback and questions regarding the beta version.

18 Mar 2010 04:36 PM
RE: March 2010 Edition Available for Beta Testing by chapelbythesea in Latest News

OK. Thanks. I'll just stay wiith Sept for now. Don't have time to mess with testing etc.

09 Mar 2010 07:30 AM
RE: Cinematic Effects Collection: Easter Special from GoFishMedia by osborn4 in Latest News

And if you have multiple projection licenses, one purchase covers all of them.

03 Mar 2010 12:10 PM
RE: December 2009 Edition Released by norvilles in Latest News

No problem.

Also I tested on Windows 7 64bit and Windows XP 64bit.

05 Feb 2010 08:13 PM
December 2009 Edition, 2/4/2010 Candidate Release by dreece in Latest News

The 2/4/2010 candidate test release of the December 2009 Edition of SongShow Plus is now available to current subscribers.

XP/nVidia driver problem is resolve.
Single core use is now the default. Users can still switch to multi-core mode.

Read What's New for a more complete list of new features and enhancements. Subscribers can also visit the Beta Test Support forum to post feedback and questions regarding the beta version.

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