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29 Apr 2006 10:22 AM
Doug posted a blog not long ago regarding a couple of recent Visualizations that triggered some thoughts, and I'm hoping to flush out some of your thinking ... One difficulty with the very idea of any video projection in the church that we must constantly deal with is how to keep the display fresh looking. It is a quick turn-off when a viewer subconsciously says "I saw that (whatever) a few weeks ago". When it comes to songs, one technique I use to maintain "freshness" is to minimize repetition, so I try to not reuse a background I've used in recent memory. Note I only use motion ones. (I will rerun promotional segments with the same bg during the pre-service hour, tho. Here I am talking about what is used during an actual service). That means when clouds are used, the same cloud-look won't be used again for a few months. Likewise with the Panorama visualization, etc. The "Background Improv" feature is problematic because for that to work well, one should restock the directory used to display them with fresh backgrounds each week, and each background needs to be sufficiently different (no similar-looking abstracts) from anything used before. Then there is the neat Panorama feature, but once a particular one is shown, how soon can I use it again? There is talk of a Panorama Builder so a user could make fresh panoramas, but for that to work, wouldn't there have to be some suitable input content to the Builder? Can I make a panorama from existing clips in my library? Video Chains under songs is a super-good idea because it's a powerful tool for creating a wide variety of new backgrounds from an otherwise useless collection of clips. To enable "freshness" means I must have a sufficient library of acceptable video files, and to diligently change visualizaton parameters sufficiently to always give a different look. I use many of the built-in visualizations regularly in the ssb program that plays preservice on hallway monitors and there are a few that I'll use behind songs, but some other ones I don't use behind songs. What are your thoughts or techniques for maintaining freshness week-to-week?...

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29 Apr 2006 10:56 AM
Lee, I am wondering how many songs do you sing each week and how many are new? The reason I ask is because this could effect how many visualizations you would change each week. We sing 6 songs at the beginning of the service all in a row. Then we have another one for the invitation and another one for the offertory. I could never come up with 8 different backgrounds each week. Also, we usually do one new song each week. Plus we have Sunday night services with a total of 7 songs in that service. I have found that the best way is when we introduce a new song, through prayer, it is assigned a background that goes with the lyrics and the beat of the song. After that, I leave it alone. We don't really repeat songs very often. Sometimes I do change the background though if the other songs backgrounds don't flow with that one. That has happened. Or, I may make a different one. This week we used 3 longplay backgrounds which was a lot. Typically, we use several motion, several that don't move and 1 longplay. We also have 6 colorscrollers that shine on the backwall as upwashes and some very large cones that we light with colorscrollers. We coordinate the lighting with the backgrounds and this makes for a very worshipful time. The lighting can really enhance the motion backgrounds, it is amazing.

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29 Apr 2006 11:18 AM
I'm envious about your colorscrollers! We have 4 to 6 songs up front and one at the end, each ranging from 4 1/2 minutes to 6 1/2 minutes. Quite a few seem new but when I say "that is new" the music lead says "No, we sang that before"!! This week I used a motion with a "watermark" under each of the 1st 4 songs. For instance, one song (I don't have the titles at this computer) is about the Lord leading us, so I used a looping background railroad tracks moving under us, an image drawing of Jesus surrounded by a white circle, and then set the motion effects to 65% opaque. So it looks like we are moving down the tracks with an image of Jesus spot-lighted in front of us, but we can't see what is ahead. Another song (something related to arise) has a motion sunrise scene background, coupled with a cross imagefile. The motion effects again set to partially opaque, so the cross shows through the sunrise on one side of the scene. Then I moved all text box over to the left so the watermarked cross is always visible on the right and on top of the rising sun. Etc. Each song has a different look. Sometimes I worry (such as with the railroad track one) that staring at it for 5-6 minutes is too long, but I do it anyway. In between songs we take 5.5 seconds to transionally fade to a standard cross-with-moving-light-rays that has come to signify we are now between songs. We start the fade on the last line so the congragation knows that the song is ending (no more repeats). Usually some musician is offering a prayer during that time. I like the long plays, too, and have used most of mine already.

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29 Apr 2006 11:52 AM
Oh, that sounds like you are really doing a nice job with your backgrounds. I can't wait until we have version 7.0 and I can do that with ours also. There are sooooo many moving backgrounds I don't use now because they're too light and I think they're too distracting. I don't think it would be hard to make so many variations, but I don't have time to pick out new backgrounds for each of the songs each week. I'm also the person who programs the lightboard so I have my hands full. However, we just had somebody volunteer who is willing to spend time learning how to set up SSP each week so I am so excited I will finally get a break! My daughter is graduating this June so I am going to be very busy with that.

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01 May 2006 08:56 AM
I'm surprised (and disappointed ;) ) you're not using v7. What if the "official" release is the exact same version you already have? Yes, the ability to tone down some motion backgrounds is a very useful feature in ssp v7. I, too, had many backgrounds I did not use for the same reason you don't, until v7 came along. I force us to take time to apply new backgrounds to each song each week. If we violate that once in awhile because we failed to remember we used one, that is OK, because in general they are all different. Is your daughter graduating from Elementary School (certainly not High School by looking at your photo!)

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01 May 2006 09:09 AM
One way we keep things fresh is with combining motion (visualizations and loops) over static images in V7. Over the last several weeks, we've used the crosses and grass demo loop from worshipfilms several times. Once with an empty tomb, once with a person kneeling and so on. You can also use visualizations to add motion to static images, color, clouds, sparkle, etc.

...Joel Milton Seventh Day Baptist Church ______ "I'm working on my 5 year plan. I just need to pick a font." - Chuck

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01 May 2006 09:26 AM
Posted By osborn4 on 05/01/2006 9:09 AM One way we keep things fresh is with combining motion (visualizations and loops) over static images in V7... You are correct, and you'll notice from my post that is exactly the feature we made use of for our first 4 songs. I do have a shortage of useful "watermark" type images. Conveniently, just this morning I received a collection of christian black-and-white images on paper that we have copyright clearance for. I'll scan them into files and see how they work. These images are all black on white backgrounds. What software will let me reverse-video the image?

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01 May 2006 09:35 AM
Posted By Lee on 05/01/2006 9:26 AM These images are all black on white backgrounds. What software will let me reverse-video the image? I'd use Photoshop Elements, but that's because that's what I know. If you bring it up in MS Photodraw and select Format->Color->Negative and then apply the negative effect, you should get what you want.

...Joel Milton Seventh Day Baptist Church ______ "I'm working on my 5 year plan. I just need to pick a font." - Chuck

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01 May 2006 12:16 PM
Paintshop Pro should work about the same as photoshop. I use Paintshop.

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01 May 2006 12:32 PM
You could probably even do it with MSPaint, with the paintbucket too. Color the black a different color, like red. Then color the white black. The color the red white.

...Joel Milton Seventh Day Baptist Church ______ "I'm working on my 5 year plan. I just need to pick a font." - Chuck

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Posted By osborn4 on 05/01/2006 12:32 PM You could probably even do it with MSPaint, with the paintbucket too. Color the black a different color, like red. Then color the white black. The color the red white. If you use MSPaint, you may have some issues if it is a 32bit jpg. It may see it as varying shades of black. If you can minimize the colors to 8bit in paint, don't think you can, it should change the black to all 000000. If you cannot minimize the colors, you may need to use a more robust program than MSPaint.

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01 May 2006 01:41 PM
You're right. I just tried it with my Hands up watermark on worshipmedia and it was pretty bad. But my initial recommendation of MS Photodraw using the negative format effect actually works pretty well.

...Joel Milton Seventh Day Baptist Church ______ "I'm working on my 5 year plan. I just need to pick a font." - Chuck

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02 May 2006 05:14 AM
Thanks for the tip - I tried Photodraw last night and it will work just fine! My plan is to build of small library with each image availabe in blk-wh and wh-blk.

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15 May 2006 06:33 AM
OK, here's a watermark tip that won't be useful to very many people, but just in case you are one of them: It's taking hours to make files usable as watermarks to be shown with songs. The source is black-on-white block drawings that are scanned. We need images both in black on white and white on black. Joel's suggestion how to create white-on-black works. Microsoft PictureIt! also does reverse (negative) but Microsoft PhotoDraw does other things that help to make these files, so that is what I used. Problem: You scan an image, say a crown. When you display that crown, where do you want it on the screen? Remember, these are "watermarks" that I apply as Background Images. I don't know how to individually size and position them like we do with images in SSB. They will be full-screen images layered under a video motion background. Solution: Tedious, but you have to make multiple image files from each object, for instance a crown. First a file with a large centered crown, then another file with a small crown in the upper-left quadrant, then another file with ... everywhere you think you might need one. Actually, each of these are two files, one is b-on-w and the other is w-on-b. As an idea how I used one: to identify who "You" is in the song You Are the One there is a watermarked Jesus in the upper left corner with children in the lower right corner looking up at Him. The watermark faintly shows through the motion background 3dBackgrounds Network Motion 111 with a small amount of transparency (this motion file has light rays emanating from the upper left). Song text is positioned on the bottom.

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15 May 2006 09:29 AM
Could you use the watermark background effect with a neutral background pic to be able to place the b/w image where you want it? Just a thought. I haven't tried it.

...Joel Milton Seventh Day Baptist Church ______ "I'm working on my 5 year plan. I just need to pick a font." - Chuck

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25 May 2006 03:15 PM
The Custom Watermark 'background effect' can be used to position a watermark anywhere you want, but there is a little trial and error for exact placement.

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18 Mar 2010 07:36 PM
RE: How to Revert from Beta to Official Release by CFC in User Support - V7

Posted By Joel Osborn on 18 Mar 2010 06:52 AM

Posted By Alexander Kurdyumov on 17 Mar 2010 10:23 PM
I found the place to install the older version, however it only has December and no September. Please let me know where can I get a file or whether it's saved somewhere on the PC.

The Downloads Page should has December, September and before.

Thank you so much. You saved my life again. I tend to mess up with SSP during our conferences. Today is our second day and I'm glad it's back to 2009 September Edition. Unfortunately, developers cannot pinpoint the problem to why the text changed.

I'll renew my license when uni-code is integrated.

God bless.

18 Mar 2010 04:36 PM
RE: March 2010 Edition Available for Beta Testing by chapelbythesea in Latest News

OK. Thanks. I'll just stay wiith Sept for now. Don't have time to mess with testing etc.

18 Mar 2010 04:08 PM
RE: Official Status by chapelbythesea in User Support - V7 on Windows 7

Just to let you know, the Win 7 compatible release downgraded usability on my Win 7 machine, as compared to the non-Win 7 compatible previous release. The issues raised are posted in the Windows 7 User Support forum. One person suggested uninstalling and reinstalling with Cinematic FX disabled.

I haven't tried because I don't have time to mess with it. Will wait to hear that all such surprises have been cleared out.

thanks
ken rosentrater

18 Mar 2010 03:30 PM
Issue with Cinematic FX by Cleber Caldas in User Support - V7 on Windows 7

Just moving the discussion from "March 2010 Edition Available for Beta Testing" forum to this one as suggested.
At least for me, as described below, it was solved by not installing Cinematic FX, though we lose this plugin functionality, obviously.
Not sure if it will solve Ken's problem too, though I think so. I am only copying/pasting his post.

17 Mar 2010 05:36 PM

Greetings, I do hope that the Windows 7 compatibility will be fully worked out by the time this one comes out. The December version is virtually unusable on my Windows 7 workstation, I am sorry to report to you. I went back to September edition. (Dec edition works fine on our XP presentation machine.)

Here are the issues my near-brand-new Windows 7 Professional has with Dec release of SSP:

1) Red "X" close button non-functional
2) "Exit" on menu non-functional
(ctrl-alt-del only way to close out Dec SSP on Windows 7 Professional OS)
3) "Program" drop-down menu non-functional
4) "Songs" drop-down menu non-functional
5) "Song/Edit" context menu non-functional

Thank you

Ken Rosentrater

17 Mar 2010 09:08 PM

I had the very same problem while I was trying out the December Version with the Windows 7. After some "trial and error" process, I found out the problem is related to the "Cinematic FX" collection.

Try to uninstall and reinstall it without the Cinematic FX option (unselect it when reinstalling SSP). It worked fine for me. Good luck.

Cleber
P.S.: We run Windows 7 Professional 64bit Brazilian Portuguese version with a NVidia Geforce GT250 512MB video card.

17 Mar 2010 10:00 AM
March 2010 Beta - How to use Color Improv link is missing by George in SongShow Plus Beta Release Articles

Color Improv is included as part of the new Improv Collection and it appears in the Plug-ins panel that is typically at the bottom of the SSP Control Panel. This tab is supposed to have a "How to use this plug-in" link similar to the Background Improv with basic instructions. This omission was an oversight and it will be added later.

The Color Improv is an advanced effect that allows on the fly hue adjustment and can be applied from the advanced effects tab in the display properties anywhere it is present.

One thing to keep in mind when using this is that Color Improv is a Hue adjustment and not a color filter so when applying this the result may be very subtle depending on what the original color or colors are.

This is pretty cool so have fun with it!

16 Mar 2010 09:51 PM
RE: Computer Setups by fbcgoshen in The 'Wave Pool'

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Intel Pentium dual core 2.6ghz
4 gig Kingston Ram
130gig Maxtor system drive
1TB Western Digital Data drive
EVGA Nvidia 8800gt 1gig ram and 8800gts 640mb ram
17 wide screen for windows 22in wide screen for Work window 17in standard to match projectors
2 Mistsubishi Projectors
2 Kramer Scaler switches and Distribution Amplifier

16 Mar 2010 04:30 PM
March 2010 Edition Beta Available Now - Please Read before posting by George in Beta Test Support

The March 2010 Edition of SSP is now in beta testing and is available to current subscribers.

You can download the beta test installation from within SSP using the menu command Update > Check for Beta Version Updates or by going to http://www.songshowplus.com then to the Download page.

Read What's New for a more complete list of new features and enhancements.

We encourage and appreciate users posting to the Beta Forum regarding possible bugs and comments. When posting bugs or comments to the Beta Forum, please make a separate post for each possible bug to make it easier to maintain continuity when discussing bugs in the forum.

If additional information is needed or a remote session is desired, a representative may contact you directly regarding a possible bug you have submitted.

Please review the recent postings in this Beta Forum to see if there is already a thread on your issue and the Beta Knowledge Base area to see if it has already been addressed.

16 Mar 2010 04:25 PM
RE: Unstable for me by iamgap in Beta Test Support

I haven't yet updated to the latest release. Was this resolved? If not, it just happened again on the 2/24 beta.

It hung when switching from one song to another. One had the clouds animation with an image overlay @ 25% transparency and 100% size. The next had a Shift Worship MPG file (praise in cliff).

In order to get it to pop an Alert!, I clicked the SSP task (on the Windows Task Bar) three seperate times. The second reported Not Responding, the third popped the Alert!.

3432 - Hint: Ssp: Unable to use fill type: Video File. Reason: Unable to use video file due to it's slow response time

I have a pretty long trace file if you would like it. The video file is in the SSP Video directory, on the local HDD.

EDIT: I edited the file type from WMV to MPG, as I realized it was one of the few MPG types we still had. I also downloaded the WMV version, and used that after restarting SSP, without issue.

15 Mar 2010 04:12 PM
RE: Recommended Professional Level Video Cards (DI009) by George in Display Issues

*******ALERT*******

There has been a reported fan speed issue related to the NVIDIA 196.75 video driver. Consumers are reporting low video card fan speeds, overheating and hardware failure.

LINK TO NVIDIA DRIVER NOTIFICATION

This particular driver is not one that was recommended by the SSP Team, however there may be cause for concern if you recently updated your video drivers.

NVIDIA has removed the 196.75 driver version from the download area but it is worth checking your system to ensure you do not have it installed. If you have this driver installed the recommendation is to uninstall it immediately and install an older driver.

14 Mar 2010 03:41 PM
RE: some avi's kill SSP by Rick Everingham in User Support - V7

I have seen this to some extent, however once I installed the K-lite code pack, this issue seems to have gone away, as it is pretty inclusive in containing all the codecs.

13 Mar 2010 10:22 PM
RE: LogMeIn.com by fbcgoshen in Tips & Tricks

I use logmein every week to set up my program. As a matter of fact i just got done setting up the service for tomorrow using this. It comes in really handy if you are unable to attend a service and they are having issues. I have corrected monitor settings and what not from my office or lazyboy.

The other thing is we have a digital mackie mixer hooked to a different pc. I am able to run the board from home. I am able to work on the live audio feed from home since you don't always know what is going on with the feed at the church. I can also help other sound techs when they have issues.

I would highly recommend it to anyone. It is free unless you want the advanced features. It is also a good way to keep office computers going.

12 Mar 2010 11:11 AM
RE: Does December 2009 Edition Support Unicode? by dreece in User Support - V7

We understand the need for this, and work continues under the hood torward that goal. We will be sure to make it well known once this capability is supported.

12 Mar 2010 09:49 AM
RE: Bug in 2/26/10 build by akins in User Support - V7

I might add to what George said by directing you to "presets" for songs and other items. We use somewhat similar formats for songs and scriptures each Sunday and I have "preset" these for quick application. I then can make modifications as desired for a particular Sunday.

12 Mar 2010 09:44 AM
RE: How to use ssptimer files by akins in User Support - V7

Just select the type you want (5 min, etc.) from the list and place it in the program. You can then edit the timer changing font, size, color (just two), placement, and two lines of text. Actually, the editing choices are fairly limited and have been the subject of wishes for sometime, but you can usually play around and get a decent look. Right clicking on the timer in the program and selecting "display properties" at the top of the list will allow you to add background color, images, and/or videos and you can apply "advance effects" to any of these.

11 Mar 2010 11:18 AM
Right-Click copy/paste menu does not work in PPT song import panel (TS098) by George in Troubleshooting

Symptom:
During a Song import from PPT the right-click menu is no longer available in the Slide Text box when importing song text from a PPT. This may cause difficulty in editing content. Import is still possible and text entry and deletion are possible, only the right click menu is affected.

Possible Cause:
Unknown - the root cause of this is still under investigation.

Possible Solution:
Import is still possible and text entry and deletion are possible. The CTRL-X, CTRL-C and CTRL-V keyboard shortcuts work as well. If a significant change in the arrangement of the text in the PowerPoint file is needed, this can be done using Microsoft PowerPoint.

(TS098)

10 Mar 2010 05:37 PM
December 2009 Edition - Bug Fixes (SSP070) by George in SongShow Plus Issues

There are some previously reported bugs that have been fixed in the December 2009 Edition:

Drag and drop in Win XP was broken and fixed in the Beta cycle.
Quick Message was broken and fixed in the Beta cycle.
Live Video was broken and fixed in the Beta cycle. This fix was an improvement of the previous patch that was required to use the Live Video Plug-in.
An issue with nvidia driver version 196.21 that broke the SSP Beta on XP was corrected.
Print Slideshow and song list selection spinners grayed out
Builder re-run error causing file browser to open unexpectedly.
H.264 issue with playback of .m4v, .mp4v, and .mpg4 video corrected.
Path displayed incomplete when adding sub-folders to panels.
Snowflake Wipe transition not working as expected.
Font selection when editing text in the Slide Show Builder not working as expected.
Background Improv folder navigation and state save corrected.
Monitor options placements selector not working as expected.
CTRL-V does not paste copied objects as expected in Slide Show Builder.

(SSP070)

10 Mar 2010 03:05 PM
H.264 videos or thumbnails may cause SSP to be unstable and lock up (TS097) by George in Troubleshooting

Symptom:
H.264 Video or thumbnails may cause SSP to be unstable and lock up when added or viewed.

Possible Cause:
It appears that there are some H.264 video that can cause trouble in SSP. At this time this is very rare, however, the root cause of this is still under investigation.

Possible Solution:
This was discovered using movie trailer files that would play fine in applications other than SSP. At this time there is no solution but it is best to try a different file to make sure it is not a wider issue. Please contact the Support Team and provide the video file for analysis.

(TS097)

10 Mar 2010 11:56 AM
RE: Audio clip doesn't restart when slide show restarts by George in User Support - V7

Hmm - Interesting...

I just tried this using blank slides entered as program elements and got the same expected behavior I described before. Are you using "blank" blank slides (default blank slide is black color only) or do you have something else set for your blank slides?

I would say at this point if the behavior persists and you can duplicated it, contact the support team so they can do a remote with you and actually see what is going on.

09 Mar 2010 05:59 PM
RE: SSP Version 5.5 with SongSelect Online by iamgap in User Support - V5.5

I too would recommed that you backup/archive/zip your current R-Technics folder and install the evaluation of version seven. If the PC cannot handle it, which I doubt, do a complete uninstall of Version 7 and go back to version 5.5.

It is my understanding that version 7 is much more stable, and can function more efficiently on an older machine than version 5.5 can.

09 Mar 2010 05:52 PM
RE: 32bit vs. 64bit by iamgap in User Support - V7 on Windows 7

To add yet another fly into the ointment...

I didn't realize that my MoBo has a 4 year old (2 yr older than the mobo) chip on it (intel 945). So even though the processor and motherboard can support up to 4 GB of RAM, the chipset can only address 3.2 GB of RAM.

What I am most upset about is that the board advertised that it could support up to 4 GB of RAM, but didn't say it could only address 3.2. Had I known that, I wouldn't have bought this board. Time for an upgrade. Now I gotta find a board that supports the RAM that I just bought for this board.

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18 Mar 2010 04:36 PM
RE: March 2010 Edition Available for Beta Testing by chapelbythesea in Latest News

OK. Thanks. I'll just stay wiith Sept for now. Don't have time to mess with testing etc.

09 Mar 2010 07:30 AM
RE: Cinematic Effects Collection: Easter Special from GoFishMedia by osborn4 in Latest News

And if you have multiple projection licenses, one purchase covers all of them.

03 Mar 2010 12:10 PM
RE: December 2009 Edition Released by norvilles in Latest News

No problem.

Also I tested on Windows 7 64bit and Windows XP 64bit.

05 Feb 2010 08:13 PM
December 2009 Edition, 2/4/2010 Candidate Release by dreece in Latest News

The 2/4/2010 candidate test release of the December 2009 Edition of SongShow Plus is now available to current subscribers.

XP/nVidia driver problem is resolve.
Single core use is now the default. Users can still switch to multi-core mode.

Read What's New for a more complete list of new features and enhancements. Subscribers can also visit the Beta Test Support forum to post feedback and questions regarding the beta version.

You can download the beta test installation from within SongShow Plus using the menu command Update > Check for Beta Version Updates or by going to http://www.songshowplus.com then to the Download page.

29 Jan 2010 03:40 PM
December 2009 Edition, 1/28/2010 Candidate Release by dreece in Latest News

The 1/28/2010 candidate test release of the December 2009 Edition of SongShow Plus is now available to current subscribers.

Various bug fixes.

Read What's New for a more complete list of new features and enhancements. Subscribers can also visit the Beta Test Support forum to post feedback and questions regarding the beta version.

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