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mikepmoon
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03/14/2008 5:28 PM  

I'm about ready to purchase SSP for our church and while I like the ability to store songs and collections, it seems to me that this can get out of hand real easy.  For example, we might do the same song 4 times in a six month period and each time it is done differently...some verses are used, some aren't; verse order is different; and sometimes even the words are changed slightly. 

Do you keep a copy of each of these in the database for the "next" time this version is used or do you just change it for that program?  When you do create duplicate songs in the database, what types of naming conventions do you use.  Do you keep one collection that is "originals" only and save these others to a different source.
 
Thanks for any insight and tips for the above and other areas related to managing songs.

Mike
Cathedral of Praise
www.cathedralofpraise.org 
iamgap
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03/14/2008 5:49 PM  

We don't usually make many changes to our songs. The few that are changed will just have another verse added. We then change the verse order to match the need.

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osborn4
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03/14/2008 5:51 PM  
If you are just changing the verse order and such, you can set a different verse sequence in the program for that song, leaving the default verse order in the song database.

If we have variations or additional verses, I add them to the main song in the database as additional verses or choruses and then insert them into the verse order in the program as necessary.

I hope that helps you understand how it can work.
...Joel

Milton Seventh Day Baptist Church
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markrief
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03/17/2008 6:45 PM  
#1 question from the band - "How did we that last time?"

I almost always make all text and verse order changes in the database. That way I always know how we did it last time. If we make a change, chances are we will keep the change for the future.

The only time I use a verse order in a program is when I know it is temporary. For example, we're using a long song in a short time space, so they want to skip a verse or something. This is not something I need to remember for next time.

Note there is a glitch - if the song is in the program, and you use edit song to change the verse order (in the database) I usually have to go to the program and set teh verse order to typical sequence to update the program.

Mark
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05/03/2008 1:48 PM  
How do you identify or change the name of the slide when using ssp with ppt. The display is not only words but the music as well?
Typically all you see is slide 1--- When its hidden it, reduces the number of slides in the presentation as well as the database.
Is cloning the song the best solution?
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05/03/2008 1:55 PM  
Posted By osborn4 on 03/14/2008 5:51 PM
If you are just changing the verse order and such, you can set a different verse sequence in the program for that song, leaving the default verse order in the song database.

If we have variations or additional verses, I add them to the main song in the database as additional verses or choruses and then insert them into the verse order in the program as necessary.

I hope that helps you understand how it can work.


How do you hide or delete a different verse and leave the song database with all the verses available for a different presentation? 
osborn4
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05/03/2008 2:02 PM  
I've never had to worry about the slide names within PowerPoint. I don't think you have any control over that inside of SSP.

If you were to use SlideShow Builder instead of Powerpoint, you could name the slides whatever you want.
...Joel

Milton Seventh Day Baptist Church
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Sam
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05/04/2008 6:51 PM  
Quick verse for the Scripture verses show the individual verses. All 1000 songs are in ppt. I was wondersing how I could do the same with ppt.
osborn4
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05/05/2008 6:01 AM  
If you turn on the program data inspercor (the magnifying glass on the top of the program panel on the right), you should get thumbnails of the PPT slides. I think that's about the best SSP could do with a PPT.
...Joel

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07/04/2009 9:41 PM
RE: Typical verse order by mmeltser in User Support - V7

Any thoughts on -- "how do I get a song in a program back to it's typical order? Is the only option to remove it and re-add it"

Thanks.

07/04/2009 2:37 PM
RE: Adding sounds to transitions by osborn4 in User Support - V7

Sorry. No way to do that with SSP. Might make a good wish for the wishlist.

07/04/2009 11:06 AM
Adding sounds to transitions by clee in User Support - V7

As a former PowerPoint user, I would often find the need to add sounds to my transitions, such as a bang, roar, etc.  any kind of a wav file.  Is there a way to do so in SSP?  For instance, in the middle of a bible verse, I want to add a sound effect.  The old way that I would do so in PowerPoint would be to duplicate a slide, and have no movement transition but sound only on the second slide.  I would advance the slide when the sound was needed.  I would really appreciate any advice on this!  Thx!

07/03/2009 3:42 PM
RE: Import lots of XML Songs by osborn4 in User Support - V7

Here's the XML format that SSP uses.

Hopefully that will help. I've not tried it before.

07/03/2009 2:43 PM
Background improv issue by iamgap in User Support - V7


If Background Improv is set as your default motion background, you cannot use an image background. Even if you have Transparent as the Default Background. I have also tried No Change, and the Background Image will not show. I have to set Background Improv to None. IMO this negates the advantage of Background Improv.

This started as soon as I installed the 6/30/2009 update.

EDIT:
I just found that if I manually click the transparent button on the Plug-in Panel, the background image becomes available. It is as if the Display Properties is not triggering the Transparent option as it should.

07/03/2009 2:33 PM
RE: Import lots of XML Songs by iamgap in User Support - V7


I haven't used it, but there is an import from XML feature. It is not a default Plug-in, so you have to select it during the install. You can add it by running the SSP installer again. The installer will only install items you check. Also note that it is a Professional plug-in, so you cannot install it if you have a basic license.

You can also install the Plug-in using the SSP Updater. Start Menu\Programs\SongShow Plus\SongShow Plus Update. Select All available components and Click here to check for updates. XML Importer will be an option under the Proffessional Level Plug-ins.

07/03/2009 1:02 PM
Import lots of XML Songs by chmaier in User Support - V7

Dear All,
I was wondering how I am suposed to import 400+ Songs into SSP. They are all in XML Format
[ppl version="3.0"]
−
[general]
[title]KL I 4 I bi vo inne usse obe une[/title]
[category]Kinder[/category]
[language/]
[/general]
−
[songtext]
−
[part caption="Teil 1"]
−
[slide mainsize="32" backgroundnr="0"]
[line]I bi vo inne, usse, obe, une[/line]
[line]glücklich alliziit.[/line]
[line]vo inne, usse, obe, une[/line]
[line]glücklich alliziit.[/line]
[/slide]
−
[slide mainsize="30" backgroundnr="0"]
[line]Sit Jesus zu mir isch cho,[/line]
[line]die Sünd vo mir gät gno,[/line]
[line]bin i vo inne, usse, obe, une,[/line]
[line]glücklich alliziit![/line]
[/slide]
[/part]
[/songtext]
−
[order]
[item]Teil 1[/item]
[/order]

Any Help would be really apricated. It might be that I didn't find the right post too 

Thank's a lot!!!

07/02/2009 2:48 PM
RE: May 2009 Edition Released by osborn4 in Latest News

If your projector has a freeze function and the content of the main screen isn't going to change, then you could freeze the main projector and show whatever you want on the secondary display.

But you'd have to remember to change what you are displaying back before you unfroze the main projector.

07/02/2009 2:05 PM
RE: May 2009 Edition Released by bhackle2 in Latest News

If they make the second screen editable that would be hugh!

I was looking at Media Shout for that reason. Every support person I talked to said the same thing "the second display shows the same as the first except no background", but on the forums I found a person that found a way to edit the second display. I would rather use Song Show. Our media team really likes its ease of use.

07/02/2009 1:33 PM
RE: May 2009 Edition Released by osborn4 in Latest News

As I understand it, the feature will only show the same words on both monitors, just different formatting.

07/02/2009 1:01 PM
RE: May 2009 Edition Released by bhackle2 in Latest News

I'm excited about the secondary display output. Has anyone figured out how to edited the secondary display? We currently use two computers. One computer displaying lyrics only for the congregation, and the other computer displaying lyrics and notes to the praise team. If Song Show will allow editing of the secondary display, we can get by with one less computer and operator.

07/01/2009 6:57 PM
RE: Change DataPath to use external drive? by osborn4 in User Support - V7

Yes. In SSP, go to Tools -> Utilities and select Data Files Setup From there, follow the bouncing ball.

You will need to be sure and have that drive attached whenever you fire up SSP. But I don't know why it wouldn't work.

07/01/2009 6:51 PM
RE: New Plug-ins Now Available by osborn4 in Latest News

I saw it. But I had to click in and enter my church's software ID to get in to the plug ins page.

07/01/2009 6:18 PM
Change DataPath to use external drive? by jmsuttle in User Support - V7

I just added an external drive to our media computer, and would like to change the data/file path for our SSP items to this external drive.  Is it possible to change the default file location?  If so, please direct me to the function in SSP.  The current location default is as follows:

DataPath: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\R-Technics\SongShow Plus

Thank you in advance,
Jessica

07/01/2009 2:51 PM
RE: New Plug-ins Now Available by cegarrett in Latest News

I didn't see the H.264 Plugin listed at SSPSTORE.com is it available now?

07/01/2009 12:52 PM
RE: New Plug-ins Now Available by markrief in Latest News

I plan to purchase the H.264 plug-in.

Do I need one for each system, or is it a stie license for the projection and and workstation systems?

Thanks, Mark

07/01/2009 9:18 AM
RE: New Plug-ins Now Available by osborn4 in Latest News

Posted By cegarrett on 07/01/2009 8:09 AM
Am I correct in my thinking that the New Public Bibles are already included in the install; and the $25 fee is per machine/per translation only for the bibles listed above?
Yes, you are correct. At least the public domain versions got loaded with the preview version. So I would assume they are still there.

07/01/2009 8:09 AM
RE: New Plug-ins Now Available by cegarrett in Latest News

Am I correct in my thinking that the New Public Bibles are already included in the install; and the $25 fee is per machine/per translation only for the bibles listed above?

07/01/2009 12:04 AM
New Plug-ins Now Available by NewsGuy in Latest News

The plug-ins for the New American Standard Bible, New International Version Bible, New Revised Standard Version, Revised Standard Version, and The Message are now available for sale.

Also available for sale is the new H.264 plug-in.

Pricing information is available at sspstore.com.

Note: For those of you who may have acquired a license for a Bible plug-in during the test phase: You will need to be issued a new license file. Please contact technical support for assistance with this.

06/30/2009 11:59 PM
May 2009 Edition Released by NewsGuy in Latest News

The May 2009 Edition of SongShow Plus is formally released and is available to all users who have a current subscription, or whose subscription was current as of May of this year.

You can download the new edition from within SongShow Plus using the menu command Update > Check for Updates or by going to http://www.songshowplus.com then to the Download page.

Click here for a list of What's New in the May 2009 Edition.
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